Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Stepmars

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Files uploaded by Stepmars (talk · contribs)

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Collection of art. Some may be in public domain, but should be tagged properly. For modern art, I think painter identity/permission confirmation via Commons:OTRS is necessary.

Paintings by H. H. Calvert (Australian, d. 1923)
Paintings by J. W. Tristram (Australian, d. 1938)
Paintings by Blamire Young (Australian, d. 1935)
Paintings and photos by Jane Bennett (contemporary)
OTRS has received a permission statement from Jane Bennett.--Sphilbrick (talk) 15:45, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Photos by Stepmars
Images that may be deleted

EugeneZelenko (talk) 14:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The copyright on all images of Jane Bennett paintings are owned by Jane Bennett and have been provided directly by her for inclusion on Wikipedia. I am the the copyright owner of all other images I have uploaded. They all all photographs I have taken myself and are of original works whose creators died more than 70 years ago. - stepmars ! talk 21:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have split the file list into sections to make it easier to see which files may need a record of permission via OTRS. I think the first 3 sections are fine - Australia has 70 pma –⁠moogsi (talk) 00:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Stepmars, on the Jane Bennett pictures, see COM:OTRS for what you need to do on the Jane Bennett pictures. Also, you say you are the copyright owner of these images, but that makes no sense. Photographic reproduction of a 2-dimensional work does not normally create any new copyright. If the images are public-domain, then the resulting photo is public-domain, but if they are copyrighted the holder of the copyright on the work also holds copyright to a photograph of the work. - Jmabel ! talk 04:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jmabel, I will ask Jane Bennett to provide the necessary statement for the images she provided. I believe you are incorrect, however, when you say "Photographic reproduction of a 2-dimensional work does not normally create any new copyright". It is my understanding, at least in terms of Australian law, that copyright protects photographs just as it does works such as paintings and drawings. As previously stated, all other images were photographed by me and as such I am the copyright holder of those photographs. The subjects of my photographs (ie: the original paintings or original photographs) were all created by persons who died more than 70 years ago, hence copyright has therefore expired on these. - stepmars ! talk 12:25, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Commons:Reuse_of_PD-Art_photographs#Australia says the matter is unclear in Australian law. In many states including the US, a copyright requires some originality, which an exact reproduction of an existing 2-dimensional work does not have. Note that as per Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory#Australia, works published by authors who died before 1955 are PD in Australia, not life+70.--Prosfilaes (talk) 21:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Again, the following information is region-specific and relates to Australian law. The Copyright Act provides protection for a range of materials, including photos, artistic works, written material, musical works and films. It states copyright lasts until 70 years from the end of the year the photographer, artist, writer etc died. Previously the rules governing duration of copyright were different but some years ago the Australian legislation was amended to bring it into line with a de facto international standard (life of creator + 70 years). This new standard is being phased in resulting in the current situation being that photographs taken before 1 January 1955 are now out of copyright. - stepmars ! talk 04:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Commons:Reuse_of_PD-Art_photographs#Australia says the matter is unclear in Australian law and links to a case where sweat of the brow was rejected in Australian law.--Prosfilaes (talk) 08:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An email confirmation from Jane Bennett completed in the specified format has been forwarded to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. I have re-arranged the file list created by Moogsi as two of the images are not being used and may be deleted. - stepmars ! talk 14:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick tip (for future uploads aswell) - you can use Template:OTRS pending (make sure to substitute it, see documentation) to indicate, that the OTRS-permission is "in work". Sometimes OTRS has a long backlog and processing may need a few days/weeks. GermanJoe (talk) 18:20, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have updated the licensing details on the work of Calvert, Tristram and Young. One thing: I originally listed File:J. W. Tristram.jpg as having an unknown author because it looks like a photo of a photo. Taken before 1955, the photo is PD in Australia and was PD in the US on the URAA date. Although, it would be helpful if stepmars would provide a source if possible. en:J. W. Tristram claims the photo is from 1905? –⁠moogsi (talk) 02:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Source of File:J. W. Tristram.jpg was the catalogue for the Royal Art Society of New South Wales (Sydney), Twenty-sixth Annual Exhibition, opened 28 August 1905. - stepmars ! talk 22:20, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: I have deleted File:J. W. Tristram.jpg since 1905 is too late to assume that the photographer has been dead for 70 years, Note also that this is not "own work" in any sense of the words. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:15, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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