Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Pro patria semper

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Files uploaded by Pro patria semper (talk · contribs)

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Routine request for very small (low quality) files. Two of them have metadata identifying a photographer, the other two do not. There are two cameras. Both would be capable of producing better images than these.

Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that these files are quite junk, but it would be a pity removing the one representing MHS; this is the only illustration we currently have of him. So keep it. Pro patria semper (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Only illustration" is not a valid reason to keep an image without proper copyright information. Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ask for it directly to the Ecole des Chartes; I only cropped its files. Pro patria semper (talk) 14:58, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Ellin Beltz: for your information (according to metadatas), the 2014 photograph is of Didier Plowy, and the one of 2016 was made by Myr Muratet. Pro patria semper (talk) 15:02, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Pro patria semper: - COM:EVID requires the uploader to provide proper source and license, it's not up to Commons to contact people on your behalf. If it's this' Ecole des Chartes" at http://www.enc-sorbonne.fr/, please notice that they have "all rights reserved" at the bottom of all their pages. Thank you for the information on source and that they are not your own work. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:13, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Ellin Beltz: but it isn't forgotten forbidden to crop their files, is it? (The Ecole published its photograph under free license, according to this.) Then, what am I to do to indicate I'm the file cropper? File history isn't enough? Thank you very much for your help. Pro patria semper (talk) 07:28, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bonjour, La confusion du proposeur des suppressions provient probablement de ce que, sur les pages des images recadrées, vous avez recopié intégralement les informations présentes sur les pages des fichiers d'origine. C'est compréhensible et c'est d'ailleurs ce que font plusieurs utilisateurs dans les mêmes circonstances. Toutefois, il faut garder à l'esprit que c'est vous qui rédigez la nouvelle page de description de l'image recadrée. Donc, dans cette nouvelle page que vous rédigez, lorsque vous utilisez des expressions ou des modèles comme own work ou self (qui donne le rendu «En tant que détenteur du droit d’auteur, je publie cette œuvre ...»), ces expressions à la première personne peuvent s'interpréter comme référant à vous-même, puisque c'est vous les écrivez dans cette nouvelle page. (Alors que, sur la page du fichier d'origine, elles réfèrent à l'utilisateur qui les a écrites dans la page fu fichier d'origine.) Afin d'éviter la confusion, il est donc préférable, lorsqu'on recopie ce type d'informations, de faire deux petits ajustements : 1) dans le champ «source», remplacer own work par un lien vers l'image d'origine (à cette fin, certains utilisateurs placent à cet endroit le modèle Extracted from, d'autres le placent plus bas, peu importe) et 2) dans l'indication de la licence, enlever la partie self (ou modifier le rendu du modèle self avec les paramètres disponibles, mais personnellement je préfère l'enlever et parfois ajouter le paramètre attribution directement au modèle de licence). Dans le cas présent, étant donné que vous avez bien indiqué les sources avec le modèle Extracted from, on peut comprendre la situation. Mais il est quand même préférable de faire aussi les ajustements. Par ailleurs, on peut voir que le proposeur des suppressions soulève des questions qui concernent en fait le versement des fichiers d'origine par les autres utilisateurs, plutôt que vos modifications. Il pourrait donc y avoir discussion sur les fichiers d'origine. (N.B. : Dans votre commentaire, vous vouliez probablement écrire forbidden, au lieu de forgotten.) -- Asclepias (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Bonjour Asclepias, merci beaucoup de votre commentaire. En effet, j'ai confondu ces deux termes. Pour ce qui est des fichiers, c'étaient mes premiers recadrages ; je tâcherai d'être le plus complet possible dans les métadonnées, la prochaine fois. Cdt. Pro patria semper (talk) 15:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ellin Beltz:  ? Pro patria semper (talk) 09:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Pro patria semper: You must live in some world which has no sleeping or jobs. Please be more patient. Please do not email me anymore when all you are doing is bugging me to look at this deletion nomination. You are not the only person in the world. To answer your "?" as best as I can, please follow the format at File:Patrick Arabeyre.jpg for the other images sources. It's not possible to tell it came from that source from the template the way you have it now, and it is certainly not own work to crop from an image of another. BTW, the "Ecole" images have two different photographers, so that account also is using the works of others without attribution. I leave this to the closing administrator now, I am not going to make more comments, and would appreciate no more bugging. Thank you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:30, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I only tried to solve the problems on these files (even if maybe too fast). Again, many thanks for having helped me; and good continuation. Pro patria semper (talk) 15:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: attribution resolved. --Jcb (talk) 16:46, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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