Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Polyglot

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Files uploaded by Polyglot (talk · contribs)

See COM:FOP#Belgium.

Stefan4 (talk) 15:44, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is this? On the one hand there is an app for Android inviting people to upload their pictures. On the other hand there are jerks who nominate those pictures for deletion. Good thing I didn't waste my precious time uploading the many saplings of the arboretum I want to start an article about in nlwiki.

Oh well, mapping on Openstreetmap is just a tad easier. If it exists, one can simply add it to the map. I was trying to add wikidata tags for the objects I'm adding, and where applicable wikipedia entries. But I'm about to give up. If a WP article happens to exist, I'll point to it, but adding content doesn't seem to be my forte.

Dejectedly, Polyglot (talk) 18:01, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Belgian copyright law prohibits you from taking and distributing photos of copyrighted works without permission from the author. See for example COM:FOP#Belgium for a general explanation and this page for the copyright holder's opinion about a specific work. For this reason, certain categories about Belgian things contain warnings not to upload any photos. See for example Category:European Parliament, Brussels or Category:Buildings in Belgium. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well I do have permission from Ad Wouters to upload the pictures of the statues. I'll ask the forestry services if it's OK to upload pictures of their information panels. How do I make known that I have obtained the permission to take these pictures and publish them on Commons? I spoke to Ad Wouters, he doesn't mind the pictures are on Wikipedia, but he doesn't want them to be used commercially. Unfortunately, I didn't see the option to put my uploads under CC-BY-SA-NC though.

Also, where do I go to vote for this silly law to be abolished in our Belgian banana republic? --Polyglot (talk) 23:10, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Commons doesn't accept images which can't be used commercially, see {{Cc-by-nc-sa}} and Special:MyLanguage/Commons:Licensing/Justifications.

Permission should be documented by using the process described at COM:OTRS.

I don't know how to change laws. Some members of the French parliament tried to change the French law some time ago, but failed, so photographs of buildings, statues, information boards and furniture are still prohibited in France. On the other hand, other people managed to make improvements in Russia, so it will be legal to use photographs of buildings commercially in Russia starting on 1 October. See also this, although it is already past the deadline. --Stefan4 (talk) 00:23, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I was under the false assumption that going out and taking pictures of the statues myself, would make the pictures suitable for upload. Maybe I'll ask the sculptor for explicit permission on Saturday when another statue will be revealed. But probably I won't. He was very clear about not wanting to release the rights if they can be exploited commercially. Besides he abhorrs technology, so he would probably not be willing to send emails granting permission.

So, I'll simply give up. Also the article I started to write about him on nl.wikipedia got nominated for deletion. Not encyclopedic enough... I think it's worthwhile and actually artistic what he's doing. That's why I started out to go and take pictures of his works in the first place. The only positive thing that came from it, is that I met him in person now. (His carvings had gotten my attention before already).

What strikes me as perverse about this silly law is that apparently it's even prohibited to TAKE these pictures. This is new to me. The problem with it is that it makes my mapping activities for Openstreetmap a whole lot more complicated, as I was using those pictures as memory aids. I hope it's still OK to indicate the existence of these statues/works of art/building on OSM. But it seems like I'd have to do it there and then. Or maybe I should stop and take notes, instead of snapping a quick picture and moving on. Those pictures are the notes of my mapping.

The other reason for taking pictures (and uploading them) was to record a point in time for those objects. What it looked like at that moment. Now it seems as if some enlightened people consider I took something with me, which belonged to somebody else. They're just 1s and 0s people. Not the objects themselves or even part of them.

--Polyglot (talk) 06:43, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Article 22.3 allows you to take these photos, but only as long as you do not show them to anyone outside your family. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to be permitted to upload them to the Internet, but you should still be able to use the photos as private notes. Geographical coordinates aren't copyrightable, so just indicating the longitude and latitude isn't a copyright violation. --Stefan4 (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Stefan4: Thanks for the clarification. I was already getting worried about my freedoms in the 'Free world', which didn't feel like that at all for a while there. I'll explain the whole issue to Ad Wouters and see how he feels about doing the necessary legwork to allow me to upload pictures of his work. I did get confirmation that he doesn't mind that I put the route he described on Openstreetmap. (My latest upload is a rendering of this route).

Is it a coincidence/oversight that you didn't nominate the picture I left on nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad Wouters (I removed the links to the offending ones on that page? Or should that one be removed as well? File:Sculptuur_Ad_Wouters_Sint-Donatuspark_Leuven_02.jpg --Polyglot (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: If you are the uploader, and have legal authorization from the copyright holder to publish these files under a free, Commons-compatible license, please email COM:OTRS FASTILY 08:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Files uploaded by Polyglot (talk · contribs)

No FOP in Belgium.

JurgenNL (talk) 19:54, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I thought taking them from farther away would solve the problem, apparently not. Oh well, off with their heads! I fail to see what is artistic about the computer screen, though. But it's not important. I'm going to find another hobby. --Polyglot (talk) 21:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted most of them per nomination. --Krd 09:57, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please also judge these:

I wouldn't want to draw the wrong conclusion (again) about their FOP status--Polyglot (talk) 05:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Polyglot

Files uploaded by Polyglot (talk · contribs)

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