Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Haywon123

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Files uploaded by Haywon123 (talk · contribs)

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This is possibly a case of Flickr washing. All uploads come from Flickr and the corresponding flickr users ([1], [2], [3], [4]) happen to have published just these few pics which were subsequently uploaded by Haywon123. Once these Flickr accounts were created and got their images uploaded their were transfered to Commons without delay.

AFBorchert (talk) 06:40, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AFBorchert I claim and acknowledge that I did not create a Flickr account or uploaded the pictures to Flickr. The photos were uploaded from the artists accounts as you can see in the usernames. I just follow these artists on Flickr. Therefore, I got a notification to my phone the moment they went online, and I uploaded them to Wikimedia right away. Another point is that I don't believe you can find these pictures on social media. I did some Google search by image and I could not find any of the pictures. I believe they were solely uploaded on Flickr. Therefore, I don't believe this is license laundering/Flickr washing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haywon123 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Please let me know if you have any questions.[reply]

Sorry but this does not appear to be trustworthy. You are already involved in sockpuppetry. Once you have learnt from the first upload that Flickr can be successfully used for license laundering, you continued to abuse Flickr and Commons for this. --AFBorchert (talk) 07:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AFBorchert, I totally understand your concern. I already explained why I was misunderstood for Sockpuppetry and my block is still under review. I am not sure what decision will be taken for my sockpuppetry case, but I promise you that this is not license laundering. The artists are the ones that uploaded the pictures, not me. I wish there was a way I could prove it for you... I can try contacting the artists if that would make you gain back the trust towards me and my account, but I guarantee and promise you that I am not the one who uploaded the pictures to Flickr in the sake of license laundering and/or using them on Wikipedia for Flickr washing. Please let me know what would work best for you. (talk) 09:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah... yes the “roommate” theory – where one hand created a draft for Naseem Alatrash on 9 September 2019 while the other hand kindly created the corresponding Flickr account in September to upload this picture on 15 September 2019. This was subsequently uploaded as File:Naseem Alatrash.jpg on Commons and added to the draft on 27 September 2019. GSS summarized this collaboration quite well. In case of File:Liza Jane.jpg, the Flickr account was created in November 2019, its only picture uploaded on 24 November from which it was transfered to Commons and added on the very same day. It is hard to tell what is going on here. Your “roommate” disclosed a COI and paid editing is suspected. We are less concerned about COI at Commons. However, even if you are in contact with or working for the respective artists, this needs to be done properly and Flickr must not be used to short-circuit this. File:Liza Jane.jpg is unlikely to be taken by herself as claimed. And in case of File:Fatrin Krajka.jpg we would need a written permission from the copyright holder, i.e. Altin Celmeta PHOTOGRAPHY per EXIF data, through COM:OTRS. The corresponding Flickr account which is obviously not the one by Altin Celmeta PHOTOGRAPHY was created in September 2019, its only picture uploaded on 4 September 2019, and transfered to Commons on 26 September 2019 to add it to the corresponding article. --AFBorchert (talk) 00:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And the next sockpuppet appeared at en:wp. Another roommate? --AFBorchert (talk) 22:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AFBorchert, I understand that you don't trust me, and you are right for not doing so. However, I want to gain your trust and I am willing to do it in any way possible. Do you want me to contact Liza Jane and Fatrin Krajka, and ask for their photographer/their permission for keeping the photos? Please let me know. I am willing to do it. I want to prove that I am not license laundering because I am really not doing so. And for the "roommate" story, the story is true. I don't even care about the account Musiclover20199, it is not mine. Again, you are right for not trusting me, but I promise you that I am only trying to be a good Wikipedia contributor, and I want to prove it in any way possible. Please let me know what you need me to do and I will proceed with it for proving every single word of mine. --Haywon123 (talk) 01:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment The last photo in the list above, File:Andrew Andraos.jpg, refers to ticket:2019052310000457. I cannot comment to that ticket in public in detail but I do not think that it is genuine. I have outlined my reasoning for this in a note that is attached to that ticket. --AFBorchert (talk) 11:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AFBorchert, how can I access the ticket? I tried logging in through Wikimedia OTRS but it does not seem like I am able to do it. Please advise me (talk) 05:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haywon123 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia OTRS is subject to the meta:Access to nonpublic personal data policy, access is restricted to OTRS volunteers. See meta:OTRS for more information. --AFBorchert (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AFBorchert, I am not sure how to fix File:Andrew Andraos.jpg problem, but I believe it was solved a while ago (maybe a year ago), I am not sure though. How can I proceed with fixing the problems for the rest of the files? Please advise me. -- Thank you for your help. (Haywon123 (talk) 17:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Hi Haywon123, all this would require trust. And at least from my viewpoint, I do not consider yourself trustworthy on base of the tickets related to your uploads, the use of the Flickr accounts, and the sockpuppetry. Sorry. --AFBorchert (talk) 18:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi AFBorchert, how can I gain back your trust? I can do it in whatever way it takes... I promise and pledge that none of these artists or photographer will ever contact Wikimedia for taking down any of the pictures. I am 100% sure that this is not license laundering. Do you want me to talk with one of the artists as a way of proving it? Please let me know who and I will contact the artist through Instagram dm. I believe they all have Instagram accounts. -- I promise you that this will be the last time I encounter similar problems on Wikipedia. It was my fault for not knowing all the rules, but now I do. I hope you can forgive me. It will be the first and last time, I promise (Haywon123 (talk) 19:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Hi GSS & AFBorchert, I talked to Fatrin Krajka and Andrew Andraos, and they are both able to ask their photographers to send an email to you clarifying that you have the rights to use the pictures. I contacted both of them through their Instagram profiles. Also to clarify, I am not getting paid for that in any way. I am only doing it to hopefully get back your trust and to be a good Wikipedia contributor. To which email should their photographers send the message to? Please let me know (Haywon123 (talk) 04:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Also, Andrew Andraos told me that he communicated in May 2019 about the picture File:Andrew Andraos.jpg with Alfred Neumann through permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, and according to his emails, it was clarified that Wikimedia has all the rights to use the picture. Therefore, I am not sure why the picture is nominated for deletion. (Haywon123 (talk) 05:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Deleted: All of them except File:Andrew Andraos.jpg do not have OTRS tickets and there's reason to suspect Flickrwashing. Should this all be sorted out, the uploader can go to COM:REFUND for undeletion. --The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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