Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Giffyguy

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I don't believe this license is correct. Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Canada makes no mention of an exemption for public documents, nor does Commons have an exemption template.

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 14:48, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Canada "copyrights" public documents? (Or doesn't provide a proper exemption?)

a) That's bizarre.

b) I would never have guessed, my mistake.

Only three of these documents are Canadian, the rest are USA patents, which definitely are exempt from copyright.

But if we need to delete the three Canadian patents, then I guess we should delete those three only.

Thanks!

Giffyguy (talk) 21:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The (rough) Commons consensus is that patents are only public domain if filed before 1989: {{PD-US-patent}}. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just did a quick google search for "patent public domain", and I found an official government webpage from the US Department of Labor which states: "As part of the terms of granting the patent to the inventor, patents are published into the public domain. However, the fact that a patent's description is in the public domain (and could appear on this website) does not give others permission to manufacture or use the invention during the life of the patent without permission from the inventor." So patents are absolutely part of the public domain, legally speaking. (I presume this includes patents that are still pending.) However, I understand Commons can legally refuse to recognize the fact that patents are legally in the public domain - it just seems highly unethical/censorious. Patents are always automatically filed into the public domain, for a very good reason. It seems odd for Commons to form a differing consensus. </rant>
If Commons won't recognize patents as public domain, I'll accept that, and I won't argue the point any further.
Giffyguy (talk) 01:08, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked the citation #1 at {{PD-US-patent}} (using https://archive.org), which confirms the same information from my previous comment, with no mention of "1989" Giffyguy (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hence the reason I added "rough" to my original statement. In fact, it appears we don't have any consensus. Your input may help. We had a few go-arounds about the issue. You can read them if you can stomach it: discussion 1; discussion 2. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
XD I'm happy to assist if I can. I'm not sure how much use I'd be in those conversations, but I added a simple(ish) note here explaining the citation I was looking at, and how said citation does not support the sentence it is attached to. Perhaps this will catalyze some action? A bad citation is a bad citation, after all. At minimum, someone needs to replace it with a proper citation that supports the "1989" doctrine. If a valid citation cannot be found, then I suppose that should end the argument? I suppose we'll see. Giffyguy (talk) 02:59, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: Closing as stale. Can be renominated without prejudice. --Pi.1415926535 (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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