Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Baselmans
Uploader claimed to be John Baselmans (nl:Gebruiker:Baselmans) and uploaded the pictures as own work under a free license. But now an IP claims to be John Baselmans and wants the images deleted (1).
Hoo man (talk) 00:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Delete When in doubt, delete. The first image is a copyvio, TNT (NL-mail) and author share the copyright. I believe the same law is in effect on the NL-Antilles. Without OTRS all images are copyvios IMHO. --Hedwig in Washington (MAIL?) 01:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
♦♦ I do not understand that drawings (schildpadden - curacao market - Iguanaman) made by me I can't give permission to place them. If you see the schildpadden.gif that was placed by an administrator from the Netherlands and we NL-Antilles are a part of the Netherlands. This administrator this this work because I send him a written letter that this is my work. All the other drawings and photographs coming from my hand. I'm not a computer nerd who knows how to work with all these codes and that is the reason I stopped participate on this wikipedia project. For me it looks more that you people do not believe I make this work and photographs. Please visit my website www.johnbaselmans.com to see that this is my work who I was willing to share with wikipedia. But it looks like my work is not welcome here.
Also this whole wikipedia page is no longer up to date. I wrote over 52 books, made newer postal stamps and did also a lot sculpting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baselmans (talk • contribs) 01:56, 18. Jun. 2012 (UTC)
- No need to get angry. :-) It seems to be a misunderstanding. We here don't know who is the real Baselmans. That's why I wrote when in doubt, delete. We HAVE to follow the copyright laws and if we can't figure out who is the real author, we have to delete to protect the author and wikimedia commons. The stamps are, in my humble opinion, not Baselmans sole property. The NL laws state that the copyright on postage images is shared between TNT and the author of the picture. We need to have the permission from both. The other images seem to me non-problematic. Very helpful would be an email to our OTRS-Team. They can verify the author and tag the picture with the appropriate permission. Please have a look here: Commons:OTRS/nl. And your work is welcome here, very much so. We LOVE to have quality here. Thanks for your time! --Hedwig in Washington (MAIL?) 04:27, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- My name is John Baselmans (may 20 1954) and the first reaction I saw I answered not logged in. It looks that Veertje take action against me for a reason I do not know. This image/drawing was made by my self and gives the administrator in the Netherlands a written permit from me and the postoffice from Curacao to place it on wikipedia! He placed the image as you can see and there must be a history of that some where! Now 5 years later I see veertje want to take all the images away I give permit to place. I do not know how I place the license and wrote that Veertje but it seems nobody want to help me. If everything is a problem do what you want to do but I do not give ANY permission for my work ever to wikipedia after this! Always there are people out there who think they are God. I'm not the technician who know how to change permissions and all these codes. I'm an artist who want to participate and help where I can but can not spend my valuable time to fight with frustrated people like here! Sorry I'm mad but this goes me to far.
- PS For the last time I give wikipedia permission to place the images who now on Wikipedia
Sincerely John H Baselmans Curacao 18 juni 2012 (my native language is dutch so that explain my bad englis sorry for that)
- You do realise you aren't giving permission to have your drawings be used on Wikipedia alone? Wikimedia Commons is a database of images with some level of educational value that have been licensed in a way that allows commercial use. You have given your drawings and photographs a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike. This means that anyone can use them as long as they attribute the work to you, and when they make a derivative work should use the same license. Wikipedia is an open encyclopedea, and strives to be as accessible as possible. That means that materials published here and there should have the option of being reused on other platforms, and that includes publications that are considered commercial.
- I haven't nominated the the drawings who have been listed here. I don't see a problem with the drawings as long as you understand the terms of the license. The postage stamps however, are commisioned drawings. You got payed for them and in return, the postal company owns part of the copyright. You are simply not the only one who gets to deside wheather or not they get published.
- Please be more considered of our mission here. I am just as much a volunteer as you are here. Commons can only stay a collection of freely licensed work when we remove copyright infringements. --Vera (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
- I know these drawings and photographs in Wikipedia are around the world. As you can see I do not protect my drawings even on my websites and as long they put my name with, there is no problem. As I wrote above; in 2007 there was a long briefing about these stamps and I send Wikipedia (administrator) a written letter from the post office Netherlands Antilles who declared by its Director Mr. Sidney Paulina that there was no problem to put these stamps on Wikipedia. That letter must be somewhere in your files. Later on I got even a compliment from this director for taking just that from all my over thousand drawings to let them place there. The administrator in the Netherlands helped me to make the right tags. Now 5 years later again these stamps are a problem. I know the copyrights very well and if you can see on my website I owned 3 different advertising agencies (Curacao-Holland and US) and never got problems about copyrights.
- As I wrote, I stopped to be volunteer Wikipedia because I do not understand all these codes. I thought to help with some articles. But I'ts nothing for me to sit and play games on the internet. I have to write books, make drawings and be there for people. For me case is now closed because this all tooks more as a day telling you people who made the pictures and drawings. again again.
- Dear John, I've contacted a guy I know who works on the OTRS system. He has found your letter that states that the stamps can be published on Wikipedia. It also says that they aren't allowing the picture to be published anywhere else. This isn't a kind of license we allow here on Commons, nor on the Dutch Wikipedia. The picture of the stamps should have been deleted at that point. We are puzzled why that wasn't done at the time. --Vera (talk) 21:42, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
- "dear john, whyn't you go buzz off, we should gave deleted before" & "when in doubt delete" either send the man an OTRS compliant email, and tag it OTRS pending, or be known as deletionist vandals. when you Assume Bad Faith of uploaders, you harm the project. i take it that is your intent. yet another novice driven off. Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 03:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Your indignation isn't entirely justified, when you check out his userpage you can see I put a lot of effort into explaining why his images were nominated for deletion. --Vera (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- "dear john, whyn't you go buzz off, we should gave deleted before" & "when in doubt delete" either send the man an OTRS compliant email, and tag it OTRS pending, or be known as deletionist vandals. when you Assume Bad Faith of uploaders, you harm the project. i take it that is your intent. yet another novice driven off. Slowking4⇔ †@1₭ 03:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
- Dear John, I've contacted a guy I know who works on the OTRS system. He has found your letter that states that the stamps can be published on Wikipedia. It also says that they aren't allowing the picture to be published anywhere else. This isn't a kind of license we allow here on Commons, nor on the Dutch Wikipedia. The picture of the stamps should have been deleted at that point. We are puzzled why that wasn't done at the time. --Vera (talk) 21:42, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Kept, but one, nomination of most of these images was based on a misunderstanding. Consent that was given to publish the stamps is too restrictive for commons. Vera (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)