Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by A proietti

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Files uploaded by A proietti (talk · contribs)

These don't appear to be re-drawn, but rather lifted right from 2017 Ships and Submarines of the United States Navy, a PDF from Raytheon, and marked Copyright © 2017, Raytheon Company. We would need COM:VRT permission from Raytheon to keep these.

• File:Spearhead class.png This is an original drawing, my mistake
• File:Puller class.png This is an original drawing, my mistake
• File:Tornado class.png
• File:Zumwalt class.png
• File:Whidbey island class.png
• File:Wasp class.png
• File:Virginia class.png
• File:Ticonderoga class.png
• File:Seawolf class.png
• File:San Antonio class.png First file revision only
• File:Ohio class.png
• File:Nimitz class.png
• File:Los Angeles class.png
• File:Independence class.png
• File:Harpers ferry class.png
• File:Freedon class.png
• File:Avenger class.png
• File:Ford class.png
• File:Blue Ridge Class.png
• File:Arleigh burke flight III class.png
• File:Arleigh burke flight I II class.png
• File:America class.png
• File:Arleigh burke flight IIA class.png

Carl Lindberg (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi. The first two images were created directly by me. They are not present on the document you mentioned. For the others I converted the images into SVG files and redesigned some parts. Since these are technical profiles, any design created from scratch will inevitably be the same as the other. I therefore kindly ask how to proceed to maintain these images. A proietti (talk) 22:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

OK, my mistake on the first two. Thanks for that. I spot checked about five of them, and they all seemed to come from the PDF. As for the rest though, most of the small details were identical -- while similar technical profiles will always be somewhat similar, choosing all the little details to leave in and which to leave out, and how to represent them, will end up being the copyrightable expression. Original renditions won't be the same in so many details. You may have altered them, possibly adding enough of your own expression to qualify for an additional copyright if you changed enough and added your own details, but even if so they are still Commons:Derivative works of the originals since so many of the details are still the same. For example, you can tell the drawing on this fas.org page is a completely different drawing than File:Nimitz class.png. The basic outline is the same obviously, but all of the little details are different. Likewise, this image is yet a different drawing. And this image is obviously the same source as the fas.org drawing. If you can find a U.S. federal government source to start with, that would be much better, since that would not be under copyright. Such as the images on this page (which has a different Nimitz class drawing). It's possible Raytheon took their outlines from government documents, but I don't see any credits as such, and we would need to actually find the source drawing to show that Raytheon did not alter them much.

Much like we need Wikipedia authors to write original text, we need illustrators to make original drawings and take original photographs -- the copyright principles are the same, regardless if it's text or a drawing. We can't copy someone else's work, unless that work is public domain, which gets more difficult to show. You can certainly use someone else's photograph to find ship details, and then decide which ones to show and how, and that sort of thing -- but copying someone else's specific lines is where the problem comes in. Same principle as text -- you can't take someone's article, and change a few words, and have it be independent copyright-wise -- you'd have to reword the entire thing. I'm sure you spent a fair amount of time on these, but unfortunately we can't copy all the small details that are in the Raytheon drawings, so I'm not sure how these specific ones are salvageable. You would really need to change all or at least nearly all the small details. Carl Lindberg (talk) 02:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I thank you. I will replace the images. A proietti (talk) 04:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I've started with changes.

San Antonio class is completely redrawn.

I'm just going to work to the other pictures.

Thanks A proietti (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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Deleted: per nomination and discussion, all but the first two that were already struck from the DR and the redrawn versions of one file. --Rosenzweig τ 16:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)