Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Traffic Signs Manual (UK) (Chapter 1)

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Files in Category:Traffic Signs Manual (UK) (Chapter 1)

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During enquires into the status of Rail Alphabet, an e-mail back from the National Archives, concerns arose that the Transport typeface and certain related materials might not be Crown Copyright (with respect to additional design rights), despite them appearing on a large number of road signs in the UK, and being practically ubiquitous..

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2017 (UTC) [reply]

On hold - clarification has been sought from relevant parties.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 13:27, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Unless explicit OTRS provided confirming relevant design elements (i.e the diagrams in the Schedule) explicitly and entirely crown copyright and thus covered by OGL etc., Furthermore the response to emails in OTRS tickets, 2017052210014402, 2017052210016428 seemed to indicate an incompatibility between OGL and Creative Commons licensing, and a need to check the status, despite the relevant document source indicating OGL status. I suggest you direct further concerns in the direction of the following contacts (psi@nationalarchives.gsi.gov.uk, TRAFFIC.SIGNS@dft.gsi.gov.uk), because I have so far had no response from the latter on the issue raised.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: The copyright issue does not exist, for two very important reasons. The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act (1988) is quite clear that regardless of the copyright within a typeface, no copyright infringement occurs when the typeface is used to create imagery, such as the files listed in the deletion review, so the underlying OGL licence is valid and no other copyright exists in these images. Additionally, typeface protection in the UK, also under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act (1988) is for a maximum of 25 years, Transport font pre-dates this, but out of an abundance of caution, assuming a new copyright may have been created when the new act came into force, 25 years from 1988 takes us to 2013 (or 1 January 2014 as a likely date) when the Transport font (once again) passed into the public domain. I'm closing this DR for those two reasons. Design Rights, if they were to exist, would not apply to road signs due to their commonplace nature at the commencement of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act (1988) which specifically excludes commonplace designs. --Nick (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Files in Category:Traffic Signs Manual (UK) (Chapter 1)

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Traffic signs are Crown copyright. You may reproduce traffic signs free of charge and without having to seek permission, but you must reproduce them accurately and not in a misleading context (e.g. not on roadside billboards where they could mislead drivers). (ref [1])

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:39, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst the above is applicable to Uk Traffic Signs content on Wikimedia Commons, this DR has been opened due to concerns over the continued presence of this and similar material on Commons, given a recent news item (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-43470241), Whilst there is no evidence indicating that the suspect mentioned obtained any material from Wikimedia Commons, the news item raised a 'safety concern' about the potential use of traffic signs material, and hence this DR has been filed per the precautionary principle..
Also affected (with far too many images to list indvidualy would be) Category:Diagrams_of_road_signs_of_the_United_Kingdom and it's sub-categories. Especially the files in Category:Transport_Alphabets_of_the_United_Kingdom and Category:Old Transport Alphabets of the United Kingdom, for which I may file an additional DR in the next few days. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:48, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn - Issued was raised at COM:VP and there was no substantial objection to these being retained. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 17:55, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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