Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Televisión Española logos

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Files in Category:Televisión Española logos

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The background colour effect is likely too complex for {{PD-textlogo}}. COM:TOO doesn't indicate that things like this have been ruled as not being copyrightable in any country.

Stefan4 (talk) 11:48, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Comment: I am not from Spain but, from what I remember of the explanations I read when these RTVE logos were introduced, the background blobs actually changed shape continuously, at least originally. The "rtve" corporate logo also was designed to do something similar but the movement is manifested as brighter or dimmer highlights along the letters' edges, rather than as a background blob. This client page from Summa (the company that designed the new logos) has a video that very briefly shows the channel logo blobs moving, and also shows the "rtve", "tve", and "rne" logos with their highlighting movements. I think they've stopped letting the blobs change shape much in the corner of the screen, though. That web page also shows how the lighted areas are used on other company works. --Closeapple (talk) 02:32, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question I don't understand your nomination statement, and my connection right now is too slow to permit me to look at all of those images individually, so I'll just refer to the image that I uploaded, File:TVE La1 logo since 2008.png, and its derivative, File:Logo TVE-1.svg. Are you really saying that a vague blob of blue is something original? A single vague region of color with a number on it is too simple for copyright under any established definitions, and any claim to the contrary is simply an abuse of COM:TOO to justify the deletion of images that have never been prohibited by our copyright policies. Last time I checked, we didn't require a ruling to permit images as simple as these two; this is not File:Best Western logo.svg, which really did need a ruling. Images such as these could not by themselves be the basis for a successful lawsuit for copyright infringement. Nyttend (talk) 12:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, to me this looks more complex than the Best Western logo, and it also seems to be more complex than the copyrighted Danish knife, the Swedish torch or the copyrighted Edge logo on the page. COM:TOO doesn't have an entry for Spain, though, so we don't know what the threshold of originality is. --Stefan4 (talk) 13:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Thee blobs were self-made by a Commons User, there's no way they can match the RTVE blobs exactly, so they're different, therefore the user holds the rights to them. Especially if the blobs are in a constant state of change, as mentioned above. Fry1989 eh? 20:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete (Only of those are the official logos used by TVE). Spanish copyright laws are similar to those of the UK. Last July, I searched for Spanish TOO law and I couldn't find it. Therefore they are copyrighted. Tbhotch™ 23:08, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
    • The Spanish threshold of originality is given by "artículo 1" in "título 1" in the copyright law:

La propiedad intelectual de una obra literaria, artística o científica corresponde al autor por el solo hecho de su creación.

That is, it has to be a literary, artistic or scientific work to be protected by copyright. Unfortunately, most copyright laws are as vague as the Spanish one: they say that it has to be an literary, artistic or scientific work, without telling how such a work is defined. Instead, you have to find actual court rulings and see what they say. Spain is a big country, so there have to be some court rulings; they just need to be identified. The only kind of "threshold of originality law" that you can find is usually a vague statement like this. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: FASTILY (TALK) 23:07, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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