Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Statues of Gundam in Japan

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Files in Category:Statues of Gundam in Japan

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Copyrighted character.

Yuraily Lic (talk) 17:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Christian Ferrer (talk) 11:16, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Statues of Gundam in Japan

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No FoP in Japan for statues 3D works.

Yuraily Lic (talk) 03:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yuraily Lic: interesting. Can you point me to the wiki guideline on this? Best regards, Erasmus Sydney (talk) 08:37, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Erasmus Sydney. This deletion request is based on the Com:Freedom of panorama in Japan. Some people might claim that it is not a statue. So I changed "statues" to "3D works" in the reason. --Yuraily Lic (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Yuraily Lic: sounds like you're the expert here! But let me understand. I take it you're seeing the artefact as coming under, "reproduction of artistic works located permanently in open places accessible to the public, such as streets and parks, or at places easily seen by the public, such as the outer walls of buildings, only for non-commercial purposes." Is that correct?Erasmus Sydney (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to know if that's correct, you'll have to read Japanese copyright law. Do you want to read it? s:ja:著作権法, This is Japanese copyright law. --Yuraily Lic (talk) 02:45, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Yuraily Lic: Gosh. That's a 16,000 word document, written in Japanese. I guess I was hoping you might be able to help me understand it as you seem to know it well. And helping me solve a problem - I'm just trying to improve an article. There are loads of images of statues and robots and 3D things and people in great articles on aspects of life in Japan. So, I'm trying to find a respectful way of doing that.Erasmus Sydney (talk) 23:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Erasmus Sydney: noncommercial use is not allowed at Commons per COM:Licensing. Files should be freely reusable even for commercial media like post cards. Hence,  Delete until Japanese copyright law changes. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @JWilz12345: Thanks for joining in. Can you tell me more about the postcard analogy? I take you to mean that, like a postcard, the image can be reproduced, but only if it's done by commercial consent. Am I reading you correctly?Erasmus Sydney (talk) 23:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Erasmus Sydney: . For example, your image of a certain copyrighted Japanese sculpture or some 3D artwork was printed on a post card, and then that post card was made to be sold commercially. Due to Japanese copyright law as it stands today, this means infringement of the copyright of the artist who created the artwork, and per Commons:Project scope/Precautionary principle this situation is best avoided. The exploitation for post card is permitted in countries like UK and Germany due to applicable freedom of panorama. However, in Japan this FOP only extends to regular and/or average buildings, like Tokyo Metropolitan Government building and Tokyo Skytree. Any depictions of other works (e.g. statues and sculptures created by still-living or recently-dead artists) are only allowed to be exploited for noncommercial purposes. Per policies and in compliance with the mission of providing free educational media that can be used by anyone for any purpose, noncommercial is not allowed here. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 02:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @JWilz12345: Okay, in that scenario, if someone used the image on wiki, to make a postcard in Germany, that would be an infringement of the rights of the person who - according to law in Japan - in fact owns the copyright. And I guess we would assume that the copyright is held by the owner of the intellectual property of Gundam (which, I think, would be Bandai Namco). Am I following you?Erasmus Sydney (talk) 07:06, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep @Erasmus Sydney: . Though existing jurisprudence in courts worldwide tend to be mixed: some tend to follow the copyright law of the country of origin, while others like the U.S. tend to apply their own copyright law over foreign 3D public works (U.S. has no FOP for such works, however, and unfortunately Gundam is "not a building" in the eyes of U.S. FOP). But for the copyright holder of that Gundam artwork I'm not sure if either Bandai Namco or the person who designed them owns the copyright (or, if the person who designed these was actually working for Bandai Namco, I'm not sure however). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 07:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: So, I've done a good look around wikimedia commons, and there are many approved shots of robots in Japan, and many shots of sculptures too. I assume they've been uploaded and okayed in good faith. What's the approach?Erasmus Sydney (talk) 11:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Erasmus Sydney: for sculptures, perhaps these were already in public domain (i.e. 70 years after their sculptors' deaths). I'm not familiar with other robots, however. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 11:03, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: There are old and new sculptures in Japan that feature on wiki. So I'm wondering what principle allows that. Would love your thoughts on that. Also, would be interested in any guidance you would have with regards a release from the owner of the IP. If wiki was sent a statement from the creator of the Gundam, that would satisfy matters do you think?Erasmus Sydney (talk) 23:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Erasmus Sydney: for old Japanese sculptures they should be fine. For new sculptures, however, you may launch deletion requests by yourself (just choose the "Nominate for deletion" on the left), but you need to provide information on who designed the new sculptures and when these were unveiled or created in your deletion request. If you have user rights to do so, you may want to activate Visual File Change to do a batch nomination (but that's a very powerful tool and shouldn't be abused). For statement, I think it's Gundam who needs to send a statement explicitly allowing your images of their work to be made and released under the CC license that you chose for your images. See also COM:OTRS for a more detailed info regarding this. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:45, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: I had the impression you supported freedom of panorama shots - maybe I was wrong. Tell me where you're coming from in the whole topic. Me? I'm an inclusionist in almost every way. (I want information to be shared freely, just as long as the creators of artwork are paid properly at some point, but that's just me.)Erasmus Sydney (talk) 23:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Erasmus Sydney: I am pro-FOP personally. That's why I am watching our situation here, and hopefully that amendemnt to our copyright law containing an FOP provision based on Australian FOP shall be passed. Also I fully support South African Wikipedians' efforts to have FOP introduced in their country. I'm not sure in Japan, if there's anyone attempting to lobby their legislature to include (at the very least) sculptures and other 3D works located in public places and in publicly-accessible premises. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very well @JWilz12345: I strongly support what you're trying to do there, and I appreciate you taking an interest here.Erasmus Sydney (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Erasmus Sydney:  Delete COM:TOYS may also be a valid reason against keeping em. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:51, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226: That is an extremely good argument. Thank for pointing that out! Erasmus Sydney (talk) 23:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Per COM:TOYS, at least. --Missvain (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

Files in Category:Statues of Gundam in Japan

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No FoP in Japan for 3D works.

Yuraily Lic (talk) 20:31, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. --Missvain (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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