Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Stamps of Vichy Government

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Files in Category:Stamps of Vichy Government

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There is no evidence that Vichy stamps are treated any different from French stamps. Most of the designers and engravers are all listed at Commons:Stamps/Public domain#France as not being dead over 70 years. An outside source for French stamp designers is at: http://www.phil-ouest.com/Liste_artistes.php. The oldest death ranges from Ouvre whose stamps fall into the public domain in 2022 through to Gandon's stamps which are copyright until 2061. I previously asked Spiessens about the situation at User talk:Spiessens#Vichy stamps and despite his reply back in August 2015 that contact was being made with La Poste, no information has been forthcoming.

Several other stamps by this uploader have been deleted per this log. File:WIKITIMBRES.FR POSTE-1943-24.png might actually be ok as the designer died in 1943.

Ww2censor (talk) 22:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Disagree. It's wrong logique I thing. For example, here is famous painter en:Czesław Słania, who created a lot of postage stamps for ~21 or 22 different countries of Europe and abroad. And copyrights of that stamps are different - depending of postal authority terms. For Sweden - using is prohibited till 2075. For Faroe Islands - is free! But both stamps created by the same human. So, for the Vichy govt there is legal template - defunct govt. Nickpo (talk) 00:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Le régime de Vichy n'a pas d'existence légale en droit français (déclaration du Général de Gaulle en août 1944) et donc ne peut prétendre à un Copyright quelconque. Le seul copyright qui pourrait s'appliquer concernerait l'auteur du timbre mais en aucun cas l'administration postale qui était soumise à un régime réputé n'avoir jamais existé. Malosse (talk) 01:14, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately your argument is flawed because the Vichy government was never the copyright holder. That belongs to the engraver and designer, so the fact the stamps were made for a now defunct government does not matter to the copyright. Regarding Slania, it depends on the country who issued the stamps, for instance in Ireland the 1974 Slania rugby stamps are copyright for 50 years because they are government works but for countries that are copyright to the engraver, such as Sweden, they will be copyright for 70 years pma, i.e., 2076. Ww2censor (talk) 22:37, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source needed for this one: the Vichy government was never the copyright holder. Please, show it. Nickpo (talk) 22:52, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually all French constitutional laws remained in place except for those that were abrogated as being incompatible with the Vichy government (see article II [1]). We all know that Vichy made several anti-semetic laws and when the regime ceased those same French laws continued that had been in place before Vichy until they were superseded by new ones. There is no evidence that the copyright laws were ever changed during the Vichy period, so the regular French copyright law applied. Anyway, as I already stated, the Vichy government was never the copyright holder which remained with the designer and engravers. The ordonnance of 1944 Concerning the Reestablishment of the Legally Constituted Republics tates that: Article 1: The form of the Government of France is and remains the Republic. By law it has not ceased to exist. and Article 2: The following are therefore null and void: all legislative or regulatory acts as well as all actions of any description whatsoever taken to execute them, promulgated in Metropolitan France after 16 June 1940 and until the restoration of the Provisional Government of the French Republic. This nullification is hereby expressly declared and must be noted. That confirms that clearly French law prevailed. If the government did not cease to exist then its laws did not cease to exist either. Ww2censor (talk) 17:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But Wikipedia is international project, not French. So, we must see primary the complex of international law, not French. Vichy regime was recognized as legitimate French government by the main world powers and a lot of ordinary countries (USA, USSR, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and other neutral states, of course Axis states, etc.) with full diplomatic relations. Pétain was constitutionally appointed the Premier by President Lebrun on 16 June 1940. it was not an unconstitutional putsch. For example, the Baltic states claim they are recovered regimes from pre-Soviet era now. OK, but we are not obliged to obey this. Nickpo (talk) 08:20, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what point you are trying to make but here on the commons images must be freely licence both in the country of origin and in the US and these are not. Ww2censor (talk) 13:01, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I give up. Nickpo (talk) 16:08, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination except one of which designer died in 1943. --Jcb (talk) 23:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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