Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Stamps by Ewald Manz

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Files in Category:Stamps by Ewald Manz

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Stamps of Germany are copyrighted until at least 70 years after the death of the designer. In this case the designer, Ewald Manz, died in 1960. So images of the stamps are copyrighted until 2030.

Adamant1 (talk) 03:28, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep all of these. They have been published more than 70 years ago without indication Manz's name, so they are out of copyright: {{PD-Germany-§134-KUG}} -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 09:12, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pasting this from another discussion where Robert Weemeyer made the same claim. According to Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Germany he's and this is why according to the law that he's citing three conditions have to be met for it to apply. One of which is "neither the real name of the author nor a known pseudonym of his were specified within the context of a communication to the public of the work." I assume their real name was specified in a communication to the public. Otherwise we wouldn't know what their name was would we? Even if the three conditions where met, there's this "then the copyright term for the work was 70 years after publication unless: "the author has become known in some other way within that period of time." Again, I assume the author has become known within the period of the 70 years or we wouldn't know what their name was. So it does seem it does depend on whether we know who the author is despite Robert Weemeyer's claim to the contrary. Anyway, in this case we know who the author is. So the images are clearly copyrighted. --Adamant1 (talk) 12:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which law are you citing? I haven't found the words "neither the real name of the author nor a known pseudonym of his were specified within the context of a communication to the public of the work" anywhere. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 13:37, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hell if I can remember. I think I might have cited the wrong sentence by accident. What I meant to cite was "if the author reveals their identity within that period of time then term of copyright is life + 70 years." I think what I cited originally is on the same page to the left of that. Either way, your whole "if the name of the designer isn't mentioned on a pre-1966 German stamp, then the copyright runs only 70 years from publication" Thing is wrong regardless. I assume the author reveled their name at some point since we know who it is. So the term is clearly life + 70 years. Otherwise, I'd be interested to know how you think we know that they designed the stamps. Magic crystals? Ouija board? Scrying? --Adamant1 (talk) 13:55, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which law are you citing now ("if the author reveals their identity within that period of time then term of copyright is life + 70 years")? -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 16:32, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: since these are all still protected in the US because the URAA restored their copyrights there. And yes, they are out of copyright in Germany because of {{PD-Germany-§134-KUG}}, a somewhat obscure provision in an older German copyright law that is still relevant for some pre-1966 works and takes precedence over the general rules for anonymous works Adamant1 is citing. The two "Henlein" files from 1942 can be restored in 2038, the rest in 2041. --Rosenzweig τ 23:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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