Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:PD MacaoGov

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Files in Category:PD MacaoGov

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Template:PD-MacaoGov/detail states that only texts of the Macau government can be PD -- things such as photos, maps, etc are not texts, and hence can't be covered by this PD law.


russavia (talk) 10:43, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • See also Commons:Deletion requests/PD-MacaoGov photographs. People argued that in the first sentence in Template:PD-MacaoGov/detail in Chinese only "official works" is mentioned. The arguers not considered that this word "official works" is limited in the second sentence and only means texts. In the inofficial English translation, and also in the official version of the law in Portuguese. Also in Chinese according to GoogleTranslation at least. Im still convinced that the content listed above is not public domain by law per the second sentence, therefore  Delete. --Martin H. (talk) 11:55, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Question Is it common for a government to make only "texts" public domain while retaining copyright on "works"? – JBarta (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is. Giving a copyright on texts of the law, decessions etc not makes much sense because it will make it difficult to distribute, publically read or interprete the texts. The text of the law will not work if the text is under copyright. The interest in application of the law outweights the interests of the copyright holder. For other kind of works there is no such interest. --Martin H. (talk) 16:38, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any country that has not made their "text of the law" public domain? If not, might we assume that all texts (law, decisions, etc) by all governments are, by default, public domain? – JBarta (talk) 16:53, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And let me also approach it from this angle... are there any countries that you know of that unambiguously single out photographs (or other non-textual works such as maps, drawings, etc) as copyrighted by the government or the individual/group/department that created it? – JBarta (talk) 17:09, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think thats questions for COM:VPC. Most countries, see Macao too for example. In one of the first paragraphs law defines works mentioned by you as copyrighted works, one of the following paragraphs exempts some works from copyright, such as texts of laws. --Martin H. (talk) 17:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through various PD license tags it does seem that "text" is often divided from "works" in general (which would include photographs). PD MacaoGov appears to do the same. It doesn't exclude photographs specifically, but it does define those "works" which are exempt from copyright as being the "text" of this or the "text" of that. The wording of this copyright law is fairly clear and not without precedent. In this context, government "works" are defined as and limited to the text of laws, treaties, etc.  Delete
That resolved, I can't help but wonder why PD-MacaoGov/detail insists on using the words "Official texts" when both Google Translate and Babelfish translate it as "official works" (or "workmanship"). Even wikisource now uses "Official works". Is there any reason why the template shouldn't be updated to the more accurate translation rather than simply adding a note at the bottom as it does now? – JBarta (talk) 18:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Even wikisource still says: "Official works are in particular the texts of treaties, laws and regulations and those of reports or decisions by authorities of any kind, and translations thereof." Still the photos listed above are not texts of treaties, not laws, not regulations, not reports, not decisions, not a translation of any of those. The template not requires an update, the template simply not covers this photos. --Martin H. (talk) 19:15, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The template says "official texts" while everything else says "official works". The template is incorrect and/or incorrectly translated, yes? If no, why? – JBarta (talk) 21:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, Template:PD-MacaoGov/detail in English, Chinese and Portuguese speaks of texts. Read the second point of that template. Also read the text of the law. The first points is "official works", the second points describes that "official works" only means texts. --Martin H. (talk) 22:06, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
First, let me be clear, I agree it means only texts. That said, let's try this again.... do you agree that the English portion of the template is incorrectly translated from the Chinese and Portugese? (official "texts" vs official "works" in #1 and #2) Is not the wikisource translation more accurate? If yes and yes, do you have any objection to updating the template to the more accurate translation? If yes, why? – JBarta (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The translation seems to indicate any "work" is PD not just text, as indicated at the bottom of the template. Oaktree b (talk) 18:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Per their webpage, I believe they are copyrighted: 1. Copyright Notices

Macao SAR Government Portal (Gov.mo) is coordinated by Public Administration and Civil Service Bureau (SAFP). All Contents (texts, graphics, sounds and images) and the software programs are copyrighted and protected by the laws of Macao SAR and international agreements. and 2. Reproduction of Contents

Any part of the Contents in Gov.mo, except those from third parties, is readily available for non-commercial use, reproduction, and redistribution without permission from SAFP. However,

- Users must identify the Macao SAR Government Portal as the source, and the date of obtaining the Contents;

- Users must ensure the accuracy of the Contents copied or reproduced;

- The reproduction is not representing any official reproduction, nor is endorsed by the Gov.mo.

The Contents of Gov.mo, in whole or in part, is prohibited from being commercially reproduced, republished, or redistributed in any way without the written permission from SAFP. Also, no any revision on the Contents is allowed no matter for commercial or non-commercial reproduction and redistribution, except those have obtained the special written permission from SAFP.

If the Contents to be reproduced are subject to copyrights held by third parties, some restrictions on the reproduction of Contents may apply and it may be necessary to seek permission from the rights holder prior to reproducing the Contents. Users should follow the copyright notice of the party. Gov.mo would list out all the terms together with these contents

http://portal.gov.mo/web/guest/terms-of-use

So it should all be deleted. Who made the stupid tag in the first place? We take it as being truth, then it isn't... Oaktree b (talk) 18:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:26, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:PD MacaoGov

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The files are images made by Macau government personnel, in which per Template:PD-MacaoGov/detail, are not in Macau governmental public domain, and therefore likely to be copyrighted by Macau government and unfree.

廣九直通車 (talk) 03:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete yes 廣九直通車 is right.
They can be undeleted in 2018+25+1=2044, though, as per {{PD-MO-old-photo}}.--Roy17 (talk) 13:24, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. - FitIndia Talk Mail 14:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:PD MacaoGov

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The files are various images and logos of Macau tagged under {{PD-MacaoGov}}, where {{PD-MacaoGov/detail}} stated that texts of treaties, laws and regulations are ineligible for copyright protection. As these files are not listed on any official texts, they are not in Macau public domain, and therefore their licenses are invalid, and should be deleted

廣九直通車 (talk) 05:04, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. - FitIndia Talk ✉ 19:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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