Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Opera in the Arena (Verona)

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Files in Category:Opera in the Arena (Verona)

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I am afraid but we have to delete these photos because we do not have permission from the artists that created the stage and costume designs.

Gnom (talk) 12:26, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please also see Commons:Deletion requests/File:Aida Verona Arena.jpg. --Gnom (talk) 13:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The permission of the artists who created the stage and costumes is implied - in the sense that the theaters (in this case Arena di Verona) hire photographers who create official photographs of the production. The singers pay the photographers to use their photos. If permission of stage and costume designers is really required for all photographs, then 99% of photographs published in the world would not be possible. Vice versa - a costume designer uses these same photos to show off their work, but they do not ask for permission from the singers to publish these photos. It would be different if we were talking about a drawing of a costume design which of course needs specific permission from the designer. 212.180.185.18 13:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the designers give permission to the opera company to take and use photos for promotional purposes. But they do not give permission to anyone to take and use photos for any purpose. --Gnom (talk) 13:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're saying there are prohibitions on taking photos of outdoor opera performances unless you get written permission from the staging director or something? Just how many people do you think the photographer needs to get written permission from? And can you cite any legal provisions or case law stating that? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: Practically, we would need permission from the theatre company. The legal provisions that I would need to cite are those that state that artistic designs, including stage and costume designs, are protected under Italian copyright law, and that publishing photographs of them require permission from the rightsholder. If you want, I can look up the relevant paragraphs from the Italian Copyright Act. Gnom (talk) 10:40, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The photo File:Detail of opera performance Arena di Verona Italy 2016.jpg was taken not during the performance, but in a public place open for the public near the Arena.There was no ban on taking photos. -- Ввласенко (talk) 08:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ввласенко: Nonetheless, the photo shows an artistic work that is protected by copyright law and we do not have the required permission from the artist. --Gnom (talk) 10:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination - Opera sets clearly have a copyright and, since they are not permanent, do not qualify for any FoP. Costumes are mostly utilitarian, but those with masks have copyrights. In both cases we need a free license from the copyright holders, usually the production company. .     Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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