Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Minsk-1 Airport

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Files in Category:Minsk-1 Airport

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Per COM:FOP#Belarus: 1933 architecture; no evidence that it is in the public domain.

Eleassar (t/p) 09:51, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree: If somebody suggests deletion based on FOP Belarus, he/she should be more specific to show arguments, i.e. that key designers/ architects have not been alive > 50 years. This is the key criteria for copyright. Unless this is clarified, no clear reason for deletion exists. Now, this deletion criteria has not been shown clearly for this category of files (Minsk-1 airport). E.g., find out and share us the precise reason for deletion request? Just "I think so" is not enough.--Paju (talk) 12:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, sorry. There are numerous cases where it is not possible to establish the death year of the architect or even his name (see en:Orphan works). However, the time difference between 1933 and 1953 is so short that it is likely the architect was still alive less than 50 years ago, which constitutes significant doubt that the architecture is free. The precautionary principle demands us to delete files in such cases. --Eleassar (t/p) 12:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I was suggesting more constructive approach, i.e. specifying the architects and giving some sources, so case could be decided more precisely and openly. Please note: 2013 minus 50 years= 1963, not 1953 :). OK, I spent some time and can quickly argument two cases of Minsk related non-FOP requests: 1) one already removed photo the national opera house (finished 1938-1939) and 2) this airport case Minsk-1. It turned out that in the first case (opera house), the architect was one of the most famous Belarusian architechts, i.e. Iosif Lanhbard (be: Іосіф Рыгоравіч Лангбард) i.e. Iosif Langbard Ио́сиф Ла́нгбард) (18.1.1882, Bielsk Podlaski, Grodno governate – 3.1.1951, Leningrad), who passed away already > 50 years ago, i.e. copyright is not anymore valid.=> Photo could be kept in Commons (restored). In the latter case of Minsk-1, however, the copyright seems to be valid. Namely, a) the main building of the airport was constructed not 1933 when the airfield was taken into use, but during years 1946-1956 or, based on other source, in January 1958 1. This source mentioned the architects. They lived quite a long time afterwards: b) Aleksandr Voinov (ru: Александр Петрович Воинов, 1902–1987) and c) Georgi Zaborski (ru: Георгий Владимирович Заборский, 1909–1999), for sources, see e.g. Minsk-1 article of fiwiki. Thus, in the second case, based on years of life of b) and c), the copyright is still valid and photos under Minsk-1 category, where this terminal building of Minsk-1 is the main target, should be removed from Commons. To summarize: I consider the facts-based-approach much better for the users & for the maintenance of Commons, than just assuming something. You can quite easily be either right or wrong, as the examples 1 & 2 show. Thus, this case can be closed. --Paju (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried to find the architects, but did not manage to. That's what DRs are for: to discuss the copyright (and other) issues and potentially discover more information about the file. Thank you for having provided it. Given that the last living author died in 1999 and the copyright lasts for 50 years, starting on 1 January of the year following the year of the author's death, I've added this DR to Category:Undelete in 2050. --Eleassar (t/p) 07:45, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]


 Deleted, Taivo (talk) 10:33, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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