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Files in Category:Hochbunker in Bottrop
[edit]As can be seen by doing a Google Images search for this building the artwork on the side of it changes out parodically and there is no FOP in Germany for temporary. So the images are clearly COPYVIO unless someone can provide reasonable evidence to the contrary.
- File:Hochbunker am Eigener Markt in Bottrop (Nord-Ansicht).jpg
- File:Hochbunker am Eigener Markt in Bottrop (Ost-Ansicht).jpg
- File:Hochbunker am Eigener Markt in Bottrop (Süd-Ost-Ansicht).jpg
- File:Hochbunker am Eigener Markt in Bottrop (Südansicht).jpg
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Adamant1 (talk) 05:19, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hello Adamant1, sorry, I can't understand the meaning of "FOP" and so I don't understand the problem with these images. My English seems to be too bad and probably my knowledge about publication laws, too. Is it because of the art exhibition on the walls? However, I'm really the photograph of the "Hochbunker". One year ago, I took the photos in Bottrop when I was standing on a public street and place. If I have made a mistake, I'm sorry. With best wishes, Krabbenpulen Krabbenpulen (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Here you can find more details about the gallery-project. Best wishes. Krabbenpulen (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Template:Krabbenpulen FOP refers to freedom of panorama, which is essentially the law that governs if it is OK to take photograph of otherwise copyrighted works if they are in public places or not. For Germany we usually follow the freedom of panorama guidelines that can be found at Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Germany in the section on freedom of panorama. According to that works have to be permanent in order to qualify for freedom of panorama, which the photographs in this art exhibition clearly aren't. To quote from the guideline "According to the Federal Court of Justice, the proper test is whether the display or the erection of the work in a public place, as perceived by an objective observer, serves the purpose of a not-merely-temporary presentation." So we can't host the images due to the temporary nature of this art exhibit. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think for germany, we generally follow the rule that it's considered "permanent" if at a specific time, it's unknown when the work will be removed. So if the exhibition changes the images in irregular and not previously announced intervals, it would be ok. --PaterMcFly (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- At least according to Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Germany the "rule" (really it's a law, but whatever) has to do with if the work remains at the location during its entire existence. It has nothing to do with if we happen to know when the work will be taken down or not, and there's zero evidence that these photographs are kept up until they are destroyed. They clearly aren't since they are parodically switched out with photographs. If you want a comparable example check out our COM:POSTER guidelines for posters. To quote from that "posters will usually be excluded since they are normally located temporarily rather than permanently in a public place." Not that it has nothing to do with us knowing what time the posters will be removed. I don't see why the same rule shouldn't apply here since that's essentially what these photographs are. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't say that I contest the deletion here, I was only saying that FOP can apply for exhibits, even if they're not going to be there in eternity. But here, we have no information about how long they will be there. PaterMcFly (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
- At least according to Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Germany the "rule" (really it's a law, but whatever) has to do with if the work remains at the location during its entire existence. It has nothing to do with if we happen to know when the work will be taken down or not, and there's zero evidence that these photographs are kept up until they are destroyed. They clearly aren't since they are parodically switched out with photographs. If you want a comparable example check out our COM:POSTER guidelines for posters. To quote from that "posters will usually be excluded since they are normally located temporarily rather than permanently in a public place." Not that it has nothing to do with us knowing what time the posters will be removed. I don't see why the same rule shouldn't apply here since that's essentially what these photographs are. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think for germany, we generally follow the rule that it's considered "permanent" if at a specific time, it's unknown when the work will be removed. So if the exhibition changes the images in irregular and not previously announced intervals, it would be ok. --PaterMcFly (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
- Template:Krabbenpulen FOP refers to freedom of panorama, which is essentially the law that governs if it is OK to take photograph of otherwise copyrighted works if they are in public places or not. For Germany we usually follow the freedom of panorama guidelines that can be found at Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Germany in the section on freedom of panorama. According to that works have to be permanent in order to qualify for freedom of panorama, which the photographs in this art exhibition clearly aren't. To quote from the guideline "According to the Federal Court of Justice, the proper test is whether the display or the erection of the work in a public place, as perceived by an objective observer, serves the purpose of a not-merely-temporary presentation." So we can't host the images due to the temporary nature of this art exhibit. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
- Here you can find more details about the gallery-project. Best wishes. Krabbenpulen (talk) 19:10, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Delete I think this has to be considered a temporary exhibition for which FOP does not apply. --Krd 13:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination; I was going to argue de minimis but then I remembered the German law is very strict. —holly {chat} 18:38, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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Files in Category:Hochbunker in Bottrop
[edit]Per the previous DR, images of this building are copyrighted due to the non-permanent nature of the artwork. So these images should be deleted as COPYVIO unless someone can provide evidence to the contrary.
- File:2022-12-31 Bunker am Eigener Markt 01.jpg
- File:2022-12-31 Bunker am Eigener Markt 02.jpg
- File:2022-12-31 Bunker am Eigener Markt 03.jpg
Adamant1 (talk) 10:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- Reading the information on the sign in File:2022-12-31 Bunker Eigener Markt 04.jpg it appears that pictures on the walls are kept in place for several years. It therefore hinges on the definition of “permanence”. Given that with COM:POSTERS this would mean the lifetime of such, I’d see a (weak) case of permanence here, thus keep. --Zenwort (talk) 23:59, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Deleted: The images are swapped from time to time. [1], so they are not permanently in the public. --Reinhard Kraasch (talk) 14:16, 6 December 2023 (UTC)