Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Hermann Hoser Schlagball

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Files in Category:Hermann Hoser Schlagball

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These illustrations are taken from a book that, accd. to the German National Library at [1], was published in 1921. It is unclear if the illustrators are named in the book or not, but even if they are not, that does not make the drawings "anonymous" works, since German law says that pre-1995 anonymous works are only really anonymous if the author (here: the artist or artists) was never publicly disclosed anywhere, not even in a lecture or similar. One cannot prove that, so pre-1995 "anonymous" works from Germany are not suitable for Commons (or de.wp). 1921 is also not old enough to assume that the drawings must be in the PD anyway, since the artists easily could have lived beyond 1944.

Rosenzweig τ 17:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Though I agree with your general reasoning, I think File:Hermann Hoser Schlagball club-ball.jpg and File:Hermann Hoser Schlagball Ägyptisches Grab.jpg could be kept. According to the file description, the first one is a re-drawing in Hoser's work of an illustration published in a work by en:Joseph Strutt (engraver and antiquary) (1749-1802), in 1801. Strutt's illustration itself seems to be based on a medieval or Renaissance original, but even if it were an 1801 work, it seems to be PD-Old - and differences in the re-drawing not meeting the threshold of originality (the figures are basically the same, just closer together and drawn a bit more crudely). And the second one apparently is based upon an old Egyptian artwork ("Aus der Gräbergrotte von Beni-Hassan (Ägypten)"), so it may also lack creativity to warrant its own protection. For the other images I'd still see a chance if the uploader has access to the book; maybe the illustrator is mentioned there and turns out to have died more than 70 years ago? Gestumblindi (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: all but two per discussion. --Krd 08:01, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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