Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Files from Microsoft Sweden

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Files in Category:Files from Microsoft Sweden

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From Microsoft AB, not Microsoft Corporation, who owns the rights. See Commons:Village pump/Copyright#Microsoft Sweden Flickr Account for the larger discussion about this account.

Elisfkc (talk) 00:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Need to note that the Windows image was deleted because it contained copyrighted elements, like logos from other media franchises within the Windows panel, not that the uploader did not have the copyright to relicense. That is the subject of discussion here and at the Village Pump link. The items in question are promotional photos from a confirmed official account, and there is no evidence that they belong to Microsoft Seattle and not Microsoft Sweden. If you want to prove otherwise, just follow-up with the company, as you're already in correspondence with them. czar 19:38, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"...and there is no evidence that they belong to...
Things that have no evidence mustn't be uploaded to Commons, genius. And the burden of evidence is on you. For Commons, there must be clear-cut evidence. A shifty Flickr account with a history of copyright violation is not enough. —Codename Lisa (talk) 06:04, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sarcasm unappreciated. I already stated that there is no actual challenge that MS Sweden doesn't own these specific promotional shots. It's not a "shifty" account—it was confirmed as official by the nominator. czar 06:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: While this was confirmed by me as being an official account, we have also found out that Microsoft doesn't want these images published under Creative Commons licenses anymore. While I know that Creative Commons licenses are irrevocable, as Huntster pointed out on the Village pump discussion, this is basically an instance of whether we want to poke the bear (Microsoft), which might result in legal pissing match between the Wikimedia Foundation and Microsoft. I feel like it is better to just delete said images and move on, rather than trying to piss off a Fortune 100 company. Elisfkc (talk) 19:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What is the precedent for this? If there is none, I think this sets a bad one. There is also a big difference between relicensing the MS Word logo as cc-by, which I said I'm fine with regarding as a mistake, and licensing a promotional image as cc, as many companies do. In the case of the images under discussion, I don't see how the bear metaphor applies. czar 20:39, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: Precedent seems to be Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Attribution-Ubisoft 3, brought up by Gestumblindi in the Village Pump discussion. Elisfkc (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The argument there was that the (ultra-wide) permission wasn't valid in the first place. Here the question/precedent is whether the irrevocable license is revoked because the company changed its mind. czar 20:48, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: And that is once again a large question here, of whether Microsoft Sweeden (a subsidy) even had the right to publish those images that belong to Microsoft Corporation. But another part of the question is whether we really want to say to Microsoft "Sorry, but an employee of yours published it under this license, so we don't care that you want it deleted" which would be poking the bear. Elisfkc (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Sarcasm unappreciated."
None intended. I don't use sarcasm. —Codename Lisa (talk) 05:38, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete. We have a long history of courtesy deletions when images get uploaded to Commons and the originating agency did not intend for them to be released under a free license. Keeping these files after explicitly being asked for them to be deleted is essentially cutting off the nose to spite the face. And yes, please don't poke the bear. — Huntster (t @ c) 22:51, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment I note that they have not yet change the licenses at the sources, Microsoft company is struggling to bring down instructions! however since we have a confirmation by mail that Microsoft own the images and that they want to see the images deleted, I mainly think as per Huntster, I do not think we should take advantage of the mistakes of others to enrich our collections "you put a CC licenses, now it's too late, now it's too late...". Furthermore if Microsoft Sweden had legaly no right to put the CC licenses, as they don't own the material owned by Microsoft, this is simply a license laundering though maybe involuntary. In all cases this is a bit too much to keep the images. Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:21, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination, discussion and my commment above. Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:22, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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