Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Beheshte Zahra Cemetery

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Files in Category:Beheshte Zahra Cemetery

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Iran has no Freedom of Panorama. The graves and monuments in this nomination are all likely protected works by virtue of the engravings (mostly portraits, but some artistic bordures or other non-calligraphic artwork), which do not appear de minimis to me, being an essential part of the works. None are old enough to be PD due to age. I have not included those which display only calligraphy, though they may require examination as well.

File:Hosein SHakooei gravestone by HaDi 02.jpg withdrawn - included by accident Storkk (talk) 11:18, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Storkk (talk) 10:55, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ِYou have tagged some many images at the same time which makes it wrong since they all have different situation. like this file:image Hosein SHakooei gravestone by HaDi 02.jpg, it is a simple grave with name on it, how could it have copyright ? or many of them could be counted as De minimis Mardetanha talk 11:15, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That one was an accidental inclusion and has been withdrawn, thank you for catching it. Storkk (talk) 11:18, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Mardetanha: I believe these fall under Commons:De_minimis#Guidelines#6 - the portraits are an essential part of the image, and removing the portraits would make the works very different, hence they are very unlikely to be de minimis, although I understand points of view can differ. Storkk (talk) 11:23, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There are some of them which are correctly tagged which I also agree to deletion, but there at least maybe half which I disagree, I don't how to discuss so many images at the same time, but for example this file:Manouchehr Hamedi gravestone by HaDi.jpg it also a piece of stone but a very small unclear picture on it which I assume is again de minimis or this Reza Karam Rezaee gravestone by HaDi.jpg or File:RSaeedi.jpg or File:Mohammad Boroujerdi grave (2).jpg, Thanks Mardetanha talk 11:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with your assessment of de minimis for all of those you mention (courtesy links: File:Reza Karam Rezaee gravestone by HaDi.jpg, File:RSaeedi.jpg, File:Mohammad Boroujerdi grave (2).jpg)... if cropping the portraits out (or blurring them, blacking them out, etc.) would fundamentally alter the photograph, then the portraits are not de minimis. Are you arguing that the portraits are simply incidental in these? Or are we disagreeing on which Guideline case applies? I could understand it if you belive they actually fall in #5, and I'd say that that's a reasonable position to hold... but even then, the guideline states that they are only "maybe" OK. Storkk (talk) 09:12, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
if you blur them or what you won't fundamentally alter anything in the gravestone, they are less 10/20 % of gravestone and they have no originally since they are not hand-created or whatsoever Mardetanha talk 21:03, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep 1- All text on gravestones are subject to Template:PD-text 2- Almost all images on stones are generated with an automatic machine from photos. It doesn't have originality and its copyright status depends on the original photo. 3- Even if photo is not de minimis, it is most likely to be under Template:PD-Iran. All photographic materials which has published for 30 years in Iran are PD. I can not discuss one by one of images, but all photos uploaded by me are definately OK because the persons already died more than 30 years ago and because they are celebrities their photos published in newspapers when they were alive or early death. Monfie (talk) 10:07, 22 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: most, kept two of which all copyrightable aspects seem DM to me. --Jcb (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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