Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Beaumont-Hamel Newfoundland Memorial
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Per COM:FOP#France: the sculptures are work by Basil Gotto (d. 1954).
- File:Beaumont hamel newfoundland memorial.jpg
- File:Beaumont monument in France.JPG
- File:Beaumont-Hamel - Official Opening (7 June 1925).jpg
- File:Beaumont-Hamel 07.jpg
- File:Beaumont-Hamel 10.jpg
- File:Beaumont-Hamel 16.jpg
- File:Beaumont-Hamel Newfoundland Memorial 1.JPG
- File:Beaumont-Hamel Newfoundland Memorial monument.jpg
- File:Beaumont-Hamel terre neuvien Caribou.JPG
- File:The newfoundland memorial parks in Beaumont-Hammel.jpg
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Eleassar (t/p) 22:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- If he was commissioned by the Canadian Government to produce this statue, then I would think the Canadian Government owned the copyright to the statue rather than M Gotto. In that case, wouldn't Crown Copyright apply - it would only apply for 50 years and is hence now expired. Or does the law of France take precedence ? I think we should request a ruling from relevant Canadian authority (http://www.historicplaces.ca ?) before we delete such important photographs. Rcbutcher (talk) 23:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think that in France the French law applies. This does not mean though that the copyright holder can't be someone else than the sculptor if the copyright has been transferred to this third party. It would help a lot if you could obtain additional information about this. --Eleassar (t/p) 00:08, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- OK, I'll contact the Canadian Government and try to get them to give a ruling. Rcbutcher (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- I sent emails to historic monuments & veterans affairs Canada asking for a ruling on ownership of copyright on this. Still waiting for reply. Rcbutcher (talk) 06:33, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
- OK, I'll contact the Canadian Government and try to get them to give a ruling. Rcbutcher (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- I think that in France the French law applies. This does not mean though that the copyright holder can't be someone else than the sculptor if the copyright has been transferred to this third party. It would help a lot if you could obtain additional information about this. --Eleassar (t/p) 00:08, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep This case is a mirror example of one from two years back for photos associated with Vimy Ridge (Commons:Deletion requests/Canadian National Vimy Memorial & Category talk:Canadian National Vimy Memorial). The only difference between the two is that Beaumont Hamel was a "commission" of the Dominion of Newfoundland (not yet part of Canada) and they purchases the land instead of it being donated in perspicuity. Either way, Gotto would not be the copyright holder; If it were anyone it would be the Crown. The monument is a communal work that involves not only the statue but landscaping and plaques. I have no knowledge of either the Dominion of Newfoundland or Canada ever seeking to press the issue If you are looking for a contact, Veterans Affairs Canada is the administering body for this monument site.--Labattblueboy (talk) 06:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
- Keep As per Commons:Deletion requests/Canadian National Vimy Memorial (although the "seem[s] to be covered by Canadian FOP" by the closing admin in that discussion is incorrect - and unnecessary for the scupltures to be considered PD). As an aside, the sculpture in File:Beaumont-Hamel - Official Opening (7 June 1925).jpg is largely draped in the Union Jack, so not sure that it would be a candidate for nomination even if the logic in Commons:Deletion requests/Canadian National Vimy Memorial didn't apply here. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Deleted: We cannot assume without proof that the sculptor gave up his copyright. Although I can't cite any French or Canadian examples, we have many cases in the USA and have never seen a case where a sculptor working on a project for the Federal government gave up his copyright. . . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 00:26, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- @Jameslwoodward: Interesting. So perhaps you'll be taking on all the Marine Corps War Memorial images next? w:Felix de Weldon lived until 2003.
This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
Per COM:FOP#France: the sculptures are work by Basil Gotto (d. 1954).
Labattblueboy (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Deleted: Natuur12 (talk) 12:09, 2 December 2015 (UTC)