Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Aula Paolo VI

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Files in Category:Aula Paolo VI

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Unfortunately there's no FOP in Italy and the architect of this building, Pier Luigi Nervi, died in 1979. So these images are copyrighted until at least 2050.

Adamant1 (talk) 09:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Adamant1: doesn't free of panorama apply here? Jakub T. Jankiewicz (talk) 10:26, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No. Sadly Italy doesn't have freedom of panorama. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have no issue with the building being blurred out of the images. Someone needs to do it before this is closed or they should be deleted though. --Adamant1 (talk) 14:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that those 3 photos are already OK, but maybe I'm biased because my eyes are not drawn to the new building but to everything else. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's definitely a tendency to automatically focus on and make out whatever your intentionally looking for in a photograph. It doesn't help in this case that the building is naturally more pronounced then the others due to being the only one that's modern. So usually what I ask myself in similar cases is if it was not for whatever the object is would the photographer have taken the photograph to begin with. In other words, what's the "but for." In otherwards, is the building the cause of the photograph to exist. I'd probably agree not with File:00120 Vatican City - panoramio (6).jpg since the building is off to the side of the image. It's less clear if the photographer meant for the building to be in the shot with File:2016 Views from the dome of Saint Peter's Basilica 16.jpg though since it's right in the middle of the photograph. Probably they did. Otherwise why that specific perspective? Well, the middle of the photograph lines up with the road going into the distance in the foreground pretty well. So maybe that was it and the building has nothing to do with it. But then we are getting into extreme tea leaf reading territory and you'd have to agree that's now how we determine which images to keep or delete. So the more sane thing is to just assume that the building matters to the photograph. Otherwise we could justify keeping all images of copyrighted buildings as de minimis because there's a blue jay on a branch 3 miles in the distance and that's really what the person was trying to take a photograph of or some nonsense like that. But I'm fine with keeping File:00120 Vatican City - panoramio (6).jpg if either one of you think the building isn't prominent enough in that image. It clearly isn't just incidental with File:2016 Views from the dome of Saint Peter's Basilica 16.jpg though. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:32, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it was before, but now I'm seeing it differently. I'm content to leave the decision up to the closing admin. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


My image was not taken in Italy, but in the Vatican. Italian law does not apply. Keep all. --Bahnmoeller (talk) 08:58, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Vatican City " Under Law N. XII on Copyright of January 12, 1960, the Vatican decreed that unless church law says otherwise, the precepts of Italian copyright law apply in Vatican City. Italy does not allow for freedom of panorama. Thus, sculptures and other works, including buildings, are not ok until 70 years after the death of the architect or designer." So yes, Italian law does actually apply. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:06, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Most, kept 3 as the building is de minimis in those as it is part of the cityscape which is the subject. --Abzeronow (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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