Commons:Deletion requests/Files by User:SerdechnyG

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Files by User:SerdechnyG

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User:SerdechnyG constantly removes problem tags, so I'm forced to start this DR. SerdechnyG is not the author of all these files uploaded from his own flickr photostream, and there is no evidence of permission from the author (and SerdechnyG is not trying to provide it, see discussion). All these files have been previously uploaded to ru-wiki, and soon likely will be deleted because of the very same reason -- lack of permission. The user has very original views on copyright, e.g. he created two pure nonsense license templates in ru-wiki (both now deleted & userfied: PD-USSR-Military, PD-investigation), and now likely he thinks that flickrwashing is a good method to keep these files. So here we are. --Trycatch (talk) 07:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At first let me cite Flickr:

Your safety level:

Your account has been reviewed as safe by Flickr staff. What does that mean? Having a "safe" account means that you are good at moderating your own content.

Then let me cite Commons:Flickr washing:

Flickr washing means that someone uploads unfree images to Flickr from various web sites

Dear folks, would you tell me: From what web sites I uploaded unfree images to Flickr?

And the last. The worst thing, I can not tolerate is dilettantism. I suggest, User:Geagea and User:Trycatch to read the rules and regulations of Wikimedia Commons more carefully, and if they are disagree, they could propose few amendments to the rules or to Come work at Flickr! or... welcome to the elsewhere. Regards -- George Serdechny 13:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We're not saying that you took these images from another website. But you're claiming (here and on flickr) that you're the author of those pictures, and that's obviously not true (you did not press the button on the camera back then, did you?). And if you're not the copyright holder of an image, you cannot release it under a free license; neither here nor on flickr. It's as simple as that. –Tryphon☂ 13:53, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Falsehood. I never claimed that I am the author of these photos. And please don't mix up together autorship with holding the copyright (look above — I do not tolerate dilettantism). Flickr do not ask for authorship, generally speaking it requires only the good faith, that's all. Besides, the information about authors and copyright holders of these photos, with which I provided Flickr, does not concern you, User:Geagea and User:Trycatch or anyone else, in any way. -- George Serdechny 14:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Random sample: File:Десантники готовятся к погрузке (Днепр-67).jpg; what is written in the Author field? –Tryphon☂ 14:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
File was uploaded automatically by Flinfo tool. -- George Serdechny 15:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, there are two ways:
    • 1) you can continue to post various Serious Arguments that flickrwashing in fact is a great technique to obtain free pictures. In this case the files will be deleted.
    • 2) you can provide evidence of permission (if you really have this permission) from the author (authors) to COM:OTRS. In this case the files will be kept.
  • It's completely your choice. Trycatch (talk) 14:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You forgot just one little thing. Grounds, please. -- George Serdechny 14:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's very simple. You are not the author, so you should provide evidence of the permission from the author. It will be very easy for you, if you are in fact have this permission. Trycatch (talk) 11:55, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe I should, maybe I shouldn't. G. R. O. U. N. D. S. -- George Serdechny 15:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you should (if you want to keep the pictures, of course). The burden of proof lies on the uploader. Trycatch (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Prove what? -- George Serdechny 15:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Proof of existence of permission from the author to publish these pictures under CC-BY-2.0 license. Trycatch (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Written above. Files compliance with their licenses and authorship were checked by Flickr staff and confirmed as "Safe content". Flickr does not use OTRS. Sorry. -- George Serdechny 15:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, you've selected the first way -- to try to prove that flickrwashing is great. It's your choice, as I've already said. Trycatch (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, dear friend. I did not selected it, I'm just following once choosen direction. I see you have selected many ways, trying to distort the facts and misinterprete the rules. Still no signs, which indicate uploaded files as flickrwashing. -- George Serdechny 16:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Overlook

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User:Trycatch constantly talking about OTRS. I need competent overlook by some experienced administrator: What procedure customized for Flickr images. Do they require any special permissions, and the main thing: How does this corresponding with Commons:OTRS? Examples accepted. -- George Serdechny 08:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of evidence of permission you have? Paper permission signed by the author? Send scan of it to OTRS. E-mail from the author? Forward it to OTRS. You can ask questions related to OTRS on Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard and w:ru:Википедия:Запросы, связанные с OTRS. Trycatch (talk) 09:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, you can ask questions related to OTRS on Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard. And please note, that I didn't ask you, cause you're not experienced administrator. -- George Serdechny 09:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need of admin flag to answer this simple question. BTW Flickr has nothing to do with these pictures -- the author is not a Flickr user. You need permission from the author, not from somebody Flickr-related. Trycatch (talk) 11:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the answer on my question. Would you please let somebody competent to answer. Thank you. -- George Serdechny 15:45, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it is the answer. These pictures are NOT "Flickr images", they are NOT originated from Flickr. Forget about all flickrwashing-like methods to keep these photographs -- such methods simply don't work. All you need is an ordinary, banal permission from the author. BTW -- who is the real author? what is the real source? what kind of permission you are talking about? These key questions are still unanswered. Trycatch (talk) 16:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would you please? -- George Serdechny 17:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the silence speaks for itself. Trycatch (talk) 17:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless you are going to provide author infornation and permission from him it is better not to support flickrwashing. If you intend to ask for OTRS permission, it is better to delete and reupload until you have details about the author (or his descendant) name and mail. Geagea (talk) 00:36, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. There has been enough time wasted here. Trycatch and others above are absolutely correct -- the fact that these appeared on Flickr is not relevant to the question of whether User:SerdechnyG has permission for them that is satisfactory for Commons. Since he or she appears to be unwilling or unable to understand that, they must be deleted.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 10:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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