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copyright violation: the cover of book published in 2007 Andrei Romanenko (talk) 20:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment from google trad:"Dear colleague, please explain the reasons for the proposal to remove. They do not understand" --by Màñü飆¹5 talk 05:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Delete obviously copyvio --by Màñü飆¹5 talk 05:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: This all sounds very unliekly. We talk here about a reproduction of a 1959 painting of an unknown artist published on a book cover. Well, the uploader may have the copyright on the book cover and on the reproduction of the painting. But if the painter is not even known he obviously cant have the permission from the painter. Its a pitty, but also the unknown painter has a copyright (in most countries, dont know if Russia is different). The unknown painters copyright will expire 70 years after maybe the creation or publication of the work, thats not fulfilled, so the painting is in copyright and the copyright holder cant be asked because of they are unknown. So obviously the image can not fulfill the requirements on Commons. For all other uploads by this uploader the case is different but similar. For most other paintings a painter is given, so it is possible that the painters agreed to release the reproduction of their work under Creative Commons, but it is unlikely. I strongly suspect, that the uploader refers to his rights on the reproduction work but that he completely ignores the painters copyright which will last 70 years following the author death according to COM:L#Russia (refers to Commons:Copyright tags, Russia section). --Martin H. (talk) 03:22, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I missunderstood the book title as author information 'Unknown'. The painter is Alexander M. Semionov (1922 - 1984), so written permission from him or his heirs is required, otherwise the upload is a copyright violation. --Martin H. (talk) 03:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment I've looked through OTRS-request - permission is verified for all pictures, published in user's own book - "Неизвестный соцреализм. Ленинградская школа" - "Unknown socialist realism. The Leningrad school". You can contact Ilya Voyager who handled that request Rubin16 (talk) 18:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I believe this image is covered by the ticket mentioned above. The author of the book claim to have written permissions from all authors of the images used in the book. We checked some details to make sure that it sounds plausible and that wording of these permissions are compatible with CC-BY-SA. We also consulted which Cary Bass, and he said that we can accept such a permission, provided that appropriate notice is given. Now I added that notice (User:Leningradartist/Permission). Most probably, some corrections in meta-information should be also made (e.g. correct author name) and after that I believe we can keep this image. Ilya Voyager (talk) 12:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. However, Im very unhappy with that kind of user tag saying "I hereby claim that I am duly authorized[...]". I hereby claim that I am authorized to publish the latest hollywood movie under cc... obviously im not and you will not believe me because I wouldnt be able to provide written evidence, e.g. a contract. We gave someone a blank permission here to upload whatever painting he want and without realy verifying if the various copyright holders (painters or heirs) indeed agree that anyone, worldwide, can reuse this reproductions anytime for anything. He can upload the next painters work tomorow and we will not ask him again and the uploaders duty to provide the necessary evidence - written permission from the copyright holder - isnt necessary for him... not satisfying. The template should say that the necessary evidence was provided to OTRS and that should be correct. It should not just say that someone claims something. --Martin H. (talk) 14:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. While I do not doubt that the copyright holder of the book has send his permission to OTRS, there is no evidence that the painters (or their heirs) have granted permission for their images to be used under an acceptable licence. They have probably only agreed to the paintings being used in the book, and not to a free licence. Therefore, the permission is invalid. Kameraad Pjotr 12:49, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kept, after clarification on my talk page, the OTRS ticket does indeed contain evidence that the heirs of the artists transferred all rights to the sender of the ticket. Kameraad Pjotr 10:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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