Commons:Deletion requests/File:Tea Who You Yeah Bunny greeting card by Mareklug, reverse.jpg

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File:Tea Who You Yeah Bunny greeting card by Mareklug, reverse.jpg

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Non-notable artwork created by non-notable Wikipedian. odder (talk) 11:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • This nomination affects also File:Tea Who You Yeah Bunny greeting card by Mareklug, obverse.jpg
  •  Keep To keep this simple, we do allow some uploads by editors of personal images, and this is in use within Mareklug's userspace on pl.wp on a wikibio of himself. As such, whilst they don't fulfill the "educational scope" that we usually look for, they do fulfill the long-standing allowing of some personal images by editors. russavia (talk) 12:44, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Allow me to correct some of the assertions made by the nominator and by the first responder:
    1. The article in question has been temporarily moved to the author's user space because the admin who deleted it from main space felt it was not sourced and as such it needed Polishing. It has been Polished, and contains unimpeachable sources. The admin has been asked to reevalutate his action in light of the article improvements. The images are used in the article, and are imperative as documentation (visual) of the verbal description.
    2. Artwork is notable on several counts: It represents a real object, a commercially produced greeting card that is a work-for-hire, and one that can be obtained by anyone. It gets better: in the best of wiki traditions, anyone can alter the greeting card project, building a derivative work (for example, with one click, choose a patterned background in place of the original's uniform gray -- and produce materially that version, by paying the work-for-hire fee to the producer and collecting the modified card. The art is PD, and the art is work-for-hire executable and modifiable. It is really wiki-art!
    3. English Wikipedia w:User:ToAruShiroiNeko has committed publicly on IRC channel #wikipedia-en (the channel logs will easily confirm this) to write a BLP of this "non-notable Wikipedian", based, in part on the Reliable Sources already made available to him. One such source is the first source in the pl:Mareklug article mentioned above. It provides clear notability for the Wikipedian in question, including documenting date and place of birth, not to mention, notable activity in the sciences, poetry, translation, publishing, editing of a major literary publication that is archived at Library of Congress, held in special collections by Brown University, Rhode Island, USA, as well as Utah State University Libraries, Logan, Utah, United States. Also, the English Wikipedia BLP w:Douglas Hofstadter, as well as at least three articles pertaining to Hofstadter's books contain red links to the Wikipedian in question, as the Wikipedian is notably included in these books. The Wikipedian is also notable for his own artificial life research, published in the 1st Artificial Life Workshop proceedings, the seminal book ALIFE1, edited by Christopher Langton, which is credited with starting the field of artificial life. In sum, the Wikipedian is notable.
    4. the artwork has already been used publicly in a campaign to expose Chinese counterfeiters of w:Canada Goose (clothing) parkas. The phenomenon is already documented in the article -- and the image descriptions themselves -- and the social/educational campaign using these images is underway.
    In light of the above arguments, the nominator is asked to speedily close the deletion request as mistaken, and refuted by incontrovertible evidence. --Mareklug talk 13:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete as per nom. Yann (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Aside from any merit of the uploads as such, these two files are being used on an WMF project now, in a draft of a userified article, where the only complaint on record made by the userifying admin (pl:Wikipedysta:WTM) was: this needs sourcing, and was posted in main space prematurely, and you know that very well -- now go work on it. Implication being, the userified article is bound to be a main space article again Real Soon Now™. So, pray tell, on what basis are you two (nominator/administrator/bureaucrat User:odder and administrator user:yannf) demanding the very removal of media that is supporting a WMF project? Hmmm? Isn't providing a repository of free media to various WFM projects, especially Wikipedias, the central core job of Wikimedia Commons? Am I mistaken? Or are odder and yannf not seeing clearly this Tuesday? Did merit take a hike? Please check your prejudices and feeble rationale at the door. Neither is permitted in serious matters. Thank you in advance for seeing the light. --Mareklug talk 14:41, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Per what russavia said, the nomination reason is basically an irrelevant argument regardless of whether it's true or not. -— Isarra ༆ 22:32, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep The artwork is certainly not as notable as say File:Mona Lisa, by Leonardo da Vinci, from C2RMF retouched.jpg. However, notability of the artwork isn't that relevant here. Also, we certainly do not require notability of the creator for our content as that would mean the deletion of nearly all the uploads on commons. The file in question is in project scope since it is in use in the users own userspace. You can also easily argue that it is a sample for w:Greeting card. As mentioned, we do not normally worry about uploads such as this one unless the user engages strictly in self publication through commons. Mareklug has contribution to wikimedia projects to support the contrary. -- とある白い猫 ちぃ？ 13:01, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
  •  Keep those images are definitely not suitable for main namespace nor they have any educational use they, anyway they can fit within userspace. However allowing usage in user ns doesn't imply overexposure attempts we are facing, those attempts should, definitely, end asap. --Vituzzu (talk) 17:46, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep per russavia. But odder's concerns affect the categories which were applied to these 2 images. I have put them into the "User page images"-cat. --High Contrast (talk) 20:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep per Russavia. The file is used in pl.wiki and meta. Taivo (talk) 11:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep per russavia and mareklug -Pete F (talk) 06:08, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: While I do understand why this files are nominated we allow user to upload a few files for personal use. I see no reason to make an exception in this case and disallow it. Kept per previous discussion. If the files are not used anymore the should be deleted of course. For now there is no consensus to delete this file's because they are out of scope. Natuur12 (talk) 14:18, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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