Commons:Deletion requests/File:Statue of Anahita in Maragha.jpg
Not covered by freedom of panorama in Iran. Lymantria (talk) 17:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Delete This looks like very modern sculptures to me. The panoramio source doesn't say who created them unfortunately. --Leoboudv (talk) 23:11, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Keep, Have a look at the article Anahita, a goddess‼ you see such a work would never be done under the Islamic government of Iran; I'd assure you that it absolutely refers to the former regime, before Islamic Revolution. After the event destruction of this sculpture was highly probable and that Anahita is still standing there is REALLY surprising!
If this belongs to someone, the one is iranian government. Hence according to the law this image is now free to be used. --YusuF 12:53, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Comment. As stated here this is made by an Italian sculptor about forty years ago, then it is OK. --YusuF 22:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: The problem is the sculptor must have been dead for at least 30 years for this image to be considered copyright free. Planes, trains, boats, ships, cars, trucks are utilitarian and are not covered by FOP and a picture of a city which doesn't focus on one building is also free of FOP problems but this picture focuses on a sculpture and we don't know if the Italian artist who created it is still alive or died before 1980--for this to be considered copyright free under Iranian law. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:21, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- The government has all the rights; so according to the law inserted in this template as "Article 16" we can keep this image and wish the sculptor a long healthy life! :) --YusuF 18:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- The reason you are giving might be valid. But can you provide more than circumstantial evidence ("it is not destroyed" is not enough IMHO) that indeed this work belongs to Iranian (or local) government? Is it on government soil for instance? Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 06:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know what exactly you mean "government soil" and I don't know how things go in other countries but here in Iran I assume it self-evident that it is government property as it is in a public place, what I'd call "government soil". Look where this is located, on Sufi Chay River.You see they have even done some changes on it recently (what would be considered as another reason) --YusuF 08:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- Convincing. I close this debate. Lymantria (talk) 10:00, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know what exactly you mean "government soil" and I don't know how things go in other countries but here in Iran I assume it self-evident that it is government property as it is in a public place, what I'd call "government soil". Look where this is located, on Sufi Chay River.You see they have even done some changes on it recently (what would be considered as another reason) --YusuF 08:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- The reason you are giving might be valid. But can you provide more than circumstantial evidence ("it is not destroyed" is not enough IMHO) that indeed this work belongs to Iranian (or local) government? Is it on government soil for instance? Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 06:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- The government has all the rights; so according to the law inserted in this template as "Article 16" we can keep this image and wish the sculptor a long healthy life! :) --YusuF 18:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Kept: Statue is in public domain in Iran. Lymantria (talk) 10:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
No FOP in Iran Rohalamin (talk) 09:39, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Per Lymantria above, copyright already expired, {{PD-Iran}} applies. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep All is explained above. --Orijentolog (talk) 09:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
@Lymantria: @YusuF: @Liuxinyu970226: @Orijentolog: I still fail to see why there should not be a problem with the copyright of this image, or rather, with that of the statue/sculpture shown. In the previous deletion request, all I see is some speculation that because this is a statue of a goddess and still standing, and because of its location next to a river (if I understood that correctly), the statue must belong to the government, and that somehow means that there is no problem at all.
Looking at COM:Iran, all I see that could perhaps apply to this is “Article 16. In the following cases, the author's financial rights will be valid for a period of 30 years from the date of publication or public presentation: [...] 2. In cases where the work belongs to a person of legal position.”
Is that what is meant, what the discussion in the previous deletion request is all about? If so, I'd like to see some more evidence. So far all I've seen in this direction is speculation and conjecture. --Rosenzweig τ 07:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rosenzweig This problem seems also occured by Commons:Deletion requests/File:Nikoo-build.jpg where @Yann: said "Very simple building." and then causes User_talk:Yann/archives_50#Very_simple_building? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:03, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, I don't think that is the same problem. I guess he means that building is so simple and un-original that it is not protected by copyright because it is below the threshold of originality. --Rosenzweig τ 08:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a different issue. This could be OK, but knowing who is the sculptor is needed. Yann (talk) 17:55, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rosenzweig@Yann Why that's a different issue? How different? While that building is so simple and un-original, given that Iran is actually a fundamentalism country, I doubt there's even no chance for em to register copyrights in Iran, a file about a simple bridge in Iran could also be deleted, so why can't that building? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- One is a statue, the other one is a simple building. There is clearly creativity and originality in this statue, which is enough to create automatically a copyright. Yann (talk) 06:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rosenzweig@Yann Why that's a different issue? How different? While that building is so simple and un-original, given that Iran is actually a fundamentalism country, I doubt there's even no chance for em to register copyrights in Iran, a file about a simple bridge in Iran could also be deleted, so why can't that building? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:13, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination and COM:PCP, because there is no freedom of panorama in Iran. I was not given any evidence that this statue "belongs to a person of legal position". All we know about the creator of the statue (from [1]) is that he was Italian and created the statue nearly forty years ago. That was written in 2011, so let's say the statue is from 1972. Since we don't know the identity of the artist, I cannot calculate a 50 years pma term, so the best I can do is apply {{PD-old-assumed}} with a term of 100 years instead of the usual 120 because Iran has 50 years pma. Adding one year to be sure because of Iran's different calendar, the file can be restored in 2074 with PD-old-assumed. --Rosenzweig τ 11:56, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
