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File:OB from Moskva River 02.jpg

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No freedom of panorama in Russia. You need the permission of the architect in order to have it published under free license 178.10.110.246 16:45, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • No matter who concepted the series, the difference to other Muscovite Soviet-style economy-class apartment blocks is neglectable and does not achieve any originality threshold. Usual harrassment by PereslavlFoto who watches every of my contributions and needs to inflamate in every RfD I participated in. --A.Savin 10:56, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep There is no original architectural elements on the facades. Not FoP case, nothing to copyright. --Alex Florstein (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: Nothing complex enough to copyright. FASTILY 07:06, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:OB from Moskva River 02.jpg

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No evidence that these apartment block are below the "threshold of originality". There is even no evidence that such a threshold exists by apartment blocks in Russia. In the lack of evidence about such a threshold, we should consider all architecture copyrightable. Apartment blocks are by definition complex, and creative and original by the very reason of their complexity. Eleassar (t/p) 10:10, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone has his own common sense, which may differ from the court practice. The evidence should be provided by those who think that there is a "threshold of originality" and that these blocks fall below it. Here you can see how diverse apartment blocks in Russia can be; not even one is like the one depicted in the image. --Eleassar (t/p) 10:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest to look at a more appropriate sample, where you will really see just Russian buildings. Try this one, this one, or this one. "Everyone has his own common sense"? No comment. --A.Savin 10:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so what's your point? Even if the buildings that you have linked to are copies made by the same plan, someone still had to draw the plan, the plan is copyrighted, and the buildings are just derivatives of it. You can't make a work public domain just by making copies of it. --Eleassar (t/p) 11:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that large parts of Moscow economy-class apartment buildings from 1980s/1990s have very similar facades, although many of them are different series. So, the series themselves are basically technical draws instead of architectural works. Let alone the fact that they would laugh at you if you came to Russia and claimed (even before a court) a standard "Plattenbau" to be a copyright-protectable artwork. --A.Savin 11:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We should not speculate what would happen in the court without a relevant court case. As you may read here or here, it is not true that mass-produces buildings or technical buildings do not have copyright. Therefore, unless you provide some hard evidence that these buildings are below the threshold of originality in Russia, we can't keep the image. -Eleassar (t/p) 17:53, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, you really seem to need to speak the last word in every discussion. OK, I'm gonna let you do, it's pretty useless, as one may read in several people's complaint about your permanent DR trolling. Last answer, though: In none of the DR's linked by you any law which would declare "technical buildings" as copyrightable has been cited. In Russia, there is no such law, including case law, as there is for God's sake no common understanding of several types of utilitarian structures as an artwork. So, questioning copyright status of this type of "architecture" is nothing but copyright paranoia, which is very sad for the project, as there are tens of thousands images (alone those from Russia) which are REAL copyright violations, e.g. with obviously copyrightable sculptures, buildings etc., with dozens and hundreds new uploads joining them every single day; but no one seems to care. Really poor. --A.Savin 18:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: as per Fastily and others. Yann (talk) 08:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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