Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mural of Ahmaud Arbery, Brunswick, GA, US (02).jpg

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File:Mural of Ahmaud Arbery, Brunswick, GA, US (02).jpg

 Delete: while the photo may be freely licensed, it is a derivative work of the mural which requires it to be licensed freely by the artist, who is apparently alive, and certainly not dead 70 years. Ww2censor (talk) 21:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. It is of historical importance. I think it is "fair use" in the public interest. Bubba73 (talk) 22:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

• Fair use images are not allowed on Wikimedia Commons per Commons:Fair use. However, there may be sufficient rationale to host and use this photo on projects that have fair use exceptions, such as the English Wikipedia (see en:Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria and en:Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline for more information). clpo13_(talk) 23:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

• • • Yes, you are right. Bubba73 (talk) 01:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. Is there a process of reaching out to the mural artist and asking for them to give their permission to use this image? In the past I have reached out to artists via their websites and asked them to upload images of their work to use on Wiki - is there a similar procedure in this case? Terasaface (talk) 14:21, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Terasaface: Indeed, email or maybe Facebook or Instagram, if you can find the artist's pages. Sorry but we don't have any such process and as the uploader it is actually your responsibility to ensure all requirements are completed. Otherwise, as mentioned above, you may be able to satisfy all ten of the non-free requirements for use on the enwiki but as the artist is still alive I doubt that will fly because they "could" give their permission. Ww2censor (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

The only Marvin Meeks I found didn't sound like it was the artist. He painted it last month, so he should be alive. Bubba73 (talk) 01:17, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Actually, inability to secure release under a free license from a living author is not a reason for failing NFCC. The fact that the mural is not the subject of critical commentary is a reason for failing NFCC. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:57, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. The artist is Marvin Weeks not Meeks. Here is a Youtube of him painting it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbzZWXGBFJU. His profile is at http://4art.com/profile/marvinweeks. His facebook page is https://www.facebook.com/marvin.weeks. Please will somone get his permission? It is inconceivable to me that a mural artist painting murals in a public place would withold permission; his aim is surely to get his art seen. A sensible default policy for derivative photos of murals would be to assume permission and remove on first complaint from the artist. The current anal attitude towards copyright on Wikipedia depresses me - murals like this can be seen on Youtube, Twitter, Google Street view, Facebook, Google image search, TV etc and none of them have issues with copyright. Wikipedia will become plain text if this jobsworth approach carries on.Dbdb (talk) 12:49, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

• I found out how to contact the artist, so I'm trying that. Bubba73 (talk) 00:55, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

• I heard back from the artist and he will give his permission. How do we proceed? Bubba73 (talk) 16:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

  Great! Have him use the interactive form at COM:RELGEN and email it to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:40, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

  Is that the right link? (It is red.) Bubba73 (talk) 01:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

  Fixed. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

• I'm trying to give directions to the artist to use that webpage, but when it asks for the file name, it says: "No file named Mural of Ahmaud Arbery, Brunswick, GA, US (02).jpg has been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons", but it is there. What is the problem? Bubba73 (talk) 20:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

  They have to put "File:" in front of the filename. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:26, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I tried it that way too, and it didn't work. Bubba73 (talk) 21:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I can confirm that the interactive release generator does not like this filename for some reason, and I can't figure out a workaround. @Bubba73: as an alternative, there's a form letter at COM:OTRS/CONSENT that you can have the artist use instead. clpo13_(talk) 21:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Alternatively, just have them put in a fake filename like File:Example.jpg and then copy in the real one at the end. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:46, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

I've sent the form to the artist. Bubba73 (talk) 15:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

After the artist got the form I sent, he does NOT want to grant permission. Bubba73 (talk) 04:29, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

• Question Which would have been the correct one to choose here: choose one: [the media work] or [the work depicted in the media] or [both the work depicted and the media] ? Bubba73 (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

  "The work depicted in the media". He created the original artwork, but he didn't take the photo. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, I made a mistake. I was trying to make it easy for him, so I filled in the form. I selected "both" (not knowing better). He declined to do it. I'm not going to bother him again. Bubba73 (talk) 22:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Four days ago I put in a request to clarify the release on Commons_talk:OTRS, but no one has responded. Bubba73 (talk) 22:28, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Bubba73: I've searched the OTRS system and cannot find any ticket mentioning this image. Do you know the ticket number that came in the acknowledgement? Ww2censor (talk) 22:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

There isn't one - the artist declined. I stated that on June 14, above. Bubba73 (talk) 01:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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Deleted: per discussion. ƏXPLICIT 02:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)