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File:Llama Shadow On Doha Tower (222955397).jpeg

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No freedom of panorama in Qatar A1Cafel (talk) 05:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A1Cafel,
First, next time create one entry for all the similar deletions requests, as in the category: Doha Tower
Second, use the correct link on this case: COM:FOP Qatar
Third, looking the correct link... we do not have information about FOP at Qatar, Aymatth2 include the "Not ok", but without the law, or references. We cannot assume the deletions of Qatar files based on this.
Obs:Why Wikimedians enjoy one more click to do things? ....-- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 06:38, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The law is cited earlier, and linked at the foot of COM:CRT/Qatar. An English version is here. If there were a FOP exemption it would presumably be in Chapter V Articles 18–27. I do not see anything. Aymatth2 (talk) 11:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So Aymatth2, are you saying that there is no specific law about it and no jurisprudence reference talking about FOP, and we are deleting files as if it was prohibited? -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 02:47, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The law says works are protected for the author's life plus 50 years. That is the default. Chapter V gives some exemptions such as personal use, teaching etc., but none that allow commercial use of images of copyrighted works displayed in public, which is what we would need. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The law do not include architects. You are creating this assumption. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 08:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chapter II: 2... Protection shall cover particularly the following works: ... (9) works of drawing and painting with lines and colors, architecture, sculpture, decorated arts, engravings, sketches, designs and three ­dimensional geographic or topographic works;

Aymatth2 (talk) 12:19, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First "The law do not include architects" is for the Chapter V, that talks about derivative work, but not about buildings.
Moreover, this is for the originals...
Here in Brazil they are also protected, and we still have FOP. They do not have a section, that I find, saying that is not allowed artistic reproduction of buildings, sculpture... in public places.
Reading more, stills grey, the closest to a no is: "Chapter II - 5 (4) - architectural works constructed in Qatar, or any other artistic work incorporated in a building or any other construction situated in Qatar." But again, not a section saying about artistic reproduction of it.
We should have a "no information" tag and find out, all the countries that we do not know, we must not include only a "not ok".
We have to make a effort to contact locals that could attest the real situation, them include the "no" or "yes", when you decide to include a "no", no one will make an effort to find the truth.
And for this file, de minimis, it's just a detail of the whole building. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton m 07:39, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Section 2 defines protected works, which include architecture. Chapter V defines uses of protected works that do not require the author's permission. None of these uses meet our Freedom of Panorama criteria, which are that anyone can use the image for any purpose. The law is very similar to the laws of other countries, and is completely clear. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: The lack of law or jurisprudence regarding FOP does not equal that FOP exists. We must alway err on the side of caution (per COM:PRP). Without clear exception, we can only assume everything is copyrighted and not ok. While the overall ”form” of this building might be under COM:TOO, the texturing of the building is most defiantly not. And it can not be COM:DM since it is the main subject of the image. --Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 16:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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