Commons:Deletion requests/File:Julien Vinson.jpg
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No indication that the author has been dead for 70 years Aymatth2 (talk) 19:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
- Note that it comes from a compilation of photographs that the BnF presumably considers to be a en:collective work (France) in the public domain since it was published more than 70 years ago. But can the photograph be extracted from the collective work and published in a different context? If it was created around 1880, when Vinson was in his mid-30s, the photographer could have been alive 70 years ago. E.g. if the photographer was 20 and lived to 90, he would have died in 1880+70 = 1950. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:44, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
- 1883 is old enough to be PD-old-assumed. But if closing admin thinks COM:PCP should have us assume an 1950 death date, then be sure to include it with the Undelete in 2021 category. My opinion would be a soft keep but I don't have strong feelings on it one way or the other. Abzeronow (talk) 20:10, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
- That's a bad assumption. Pierre Jacques Smit published illustrations starting ca. 1883 and died in 1960. —innotata 17:48, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- 1883 is old enough to be PD-old-assumed. But if closing admin thinks COM:PCP should have us assume an 1950 death date, then be sure to include it with the Undelete in 2021 category. My opinion would be a soft keep but I don't have strong feelings on it one way or the other. Abzeronow (talk) 20:10, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Keep Obviously. --Yann (talk) 15:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Yann: The photographer could have taken the picture as a 18-year-old apprentice in 1883, then lived past age 82. Or as a 22-year-old, lived past age 86, etc. Unlikely, perhaps, but not wildly implausible. There is significant doubt about whether the image if free. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:52, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- No. @Aymatth2: There is no significant doubt. Please do not create such senseless claim. Thanks, Yann (talk) 16:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Yann: My grandparents were all born in the 19th century. They had relatively comfortable lives, and three of them lived into their eighties. My maternal grandmother was born in 1883 and died in 1973, aged eighty nine. Any photographs or other creative works by any of them would still be covered by copyright. In the case of my grandmother, who painted and wrote poetry, copyright would last until 2043. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Sure, but that beside the point. Regards, Yann (talk) 03:11, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- If my grandmother had been born twenty years earlier, took the picture when she was twenty, and lived as long as she did live, it would be covered by copyright until 2023. This is a plausible scenario. There is significant doubt about whether the image if free. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- No. You don't understand what "significant doubt" means. It is not about a particular case, but about the probability that the file would still not be in the public domain. And that probability is very low. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Delete In the EU (etc.) you need to know who the creator of a work was or know that the creator is unknown to assume it is public domain. Unless such documentation is provided, we shouldn't be saying it's public domain in its source country and this can't be safely reused unconditionally by people in the EU. Aymatth2 is right. —innotata 17:48, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Kept: no valid reason for deletion: ridiculous request. The image comes from the National Library of France, which asserts that it is in the public domain. If you want to contest the copyright status, write to them. --Yann (talk) 05:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
