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File:Escut de Sant Adrià de Besòs.svg

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Out of scope. This is a user generated version of the coat of arms that militant members of the community insist on using, despite a request from the town council to use the ACTUAL coat of arms, File:Escut de Sant Adrià de Besòs.jpg. This version falls outside scope because it is not realistically useful for an educational purpose. It is a fictional version of the town coat of arms, so much so that the town has asked us not to use it. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 18:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep The only thing that is out of scope is this deletion request. Your arguments only denote a lack of knowlegde about European heraldry. You should know that this version of this coat of arms is an heraldic representation of a blazon (descriptive text of a coat of arms). You also should know that heraldry is an art that allows different interpretations for the same blazon. Consequently, the reasoning that this file should be deleted just because it is different to that of the council town is wrong. In fact -in the countries with heraldic tradition-, the coats of arms used in the council towns rarely coincide to the versions that you can find in wikimedia commons. And they are correct all the same. Do you really want to delete all the artistical work about heraldry? This file must be kept on. --Xavigivax (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep I agree with Xavigivax. The drawing of a coat of arms is just a diagram of the blazon. There can be different drawings according to the same blazon, and none of them is "the real" coat of arms. Somebody may even want to use a different drawing different to the blazon, and if the city council uses it, this drawing will be notable, but it doesn't make other drawings not real. Furthermore, it's up to any Wikipedia to decide which drawings to use in their articles and how to use them.
Btw. it would be useful to have a link to where the town has asked us not to use this image.--Pere prlpz (talk) 19:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's in the OTRS ticket otrs:2012071010004987. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 20:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can't read the ticket, but I suppose the city council is asking to use in Wikipedia their logo instead of the coat of arms depicted. Then:
  1. The usage of images in each Wikipedia is a matter of its community, not Commons.
  2. The "real" official coat of arms (e.g. a particular render of the official blazon) can be found at http://municat.gencat.cat/index.php?page=consulta&mostraEns=0819440003&accio=simbols (if "real" means anything in our context).
  3. You can read in the official blazon that there is "acoblat darrera l'escut un bàcul de bisbe d'or posat en pal.", and you can see that in the logo used by city council there is no crosier.
  4. Please remember that in Catalonia the Generalitat must approve official symbols of municipalities (e.g. the official coat of arms and its blazon), although city councils have a great degree of freedom to use other drawings, logos or graphical elements at their choice. Some of them use the heraldically canonical render of their blazon, some other use drawings derived from the official coat of arms (even something that can be very similar to a coat of arms, or a slightly different coat of arms) and some others use other kind of logos not resembling a coat of arms. City councils can use any drawing, but they can't change the official coat of arms on their own.
  5. Of course, all the symbols used by city council can be discussed in Wikipedia articles (if notable), but there is no need to delete any of them - and the least of them the official ones.--Pere prlpz (talk) 23:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep I agree with Xavigivax and Pere prlpz.--Columbusalbus (talk) 08:49, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep In use == in scope, per COM:SCOPE#File in use in another Wikimedia project. Note, especially, that "Commons does not exist to editorialise on other projects". --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep This is an image that shows exactly what official blazon says, despite what the council itself may say... If they don't agree with their own official coat of arms, they must start a revision process in the Government department that is competent in heraldry, but not start a war of editions and deletions here... --Enfo (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Totally agree with Xavigivax and Pere prlpz. Besides it's the City council the only one not to use the official blazon, as they don't depict the crozier. --ESCJosep (talk) 18:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Little more to add to what has been said, this representation is correct and contains everything he says heraldic description. Miguel Ángel "fotógrafo" (talk) 19:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Fry1989 eh? 20:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment I just noticed in Commons:Project scope/Neutral point of view this sentence: If you feel strongly that a map, emblem, flag or other file hosted here is “wrong” in some way, please try to persuade your local wiki community to make use of the version you prefer instead. This sentence looks like having being written with deletion requests just like ours in mind.--Pere prlpz (talk) 23:15, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: as above. Yann (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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