Commons:Deletion requests/File:Berlin Straße 201 Atelierhaus.jpg

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File:Berlin_Straße_201_Atelierhaus.jpg

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and File:Ruth Hahne Thaelmanndenkmal Ausschnitt.jpg.

Missing author's permission. This needs OTRS documentation. ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 15:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep The file was uploaded more than three years ago. The description says: "Photographer: Dr. Stefan Hahne(current owner); grant for publishing under GFDL given per e-mail on Dec 29, 2005." There is absolutely no reason for demanding proof for that now. Was there even an OTRS-system in 2005? Assume good faith. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 15:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete No educational purpose. Hekerui (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The image is in use in de:Ruthild Hahne. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I removed it from the article, what's the use of a hardly visible building? None. Hekerui (talk) 20:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats on keeping the worthless pic in an article! At least give a reason for reversing me. Hekerui (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do not like it when commons people remove the use of images that they want to delete for "lack of educational value". /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You don't seem to understand. You failed to provide a reason when reversing the change in the article. Who cares for your opinion about me? Hekerui (talk) 00:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Pieter is right, in 2005 (just a few months after Commons has started) there was no OTRS system. Unfortunately I have no access to my e-mails from 2005 anymore but I can certify that I have got the respective mail. And since there is an article about the sculptorer and the house can be accessed I see also sense to have the picture(s) in Wikipedia. Therefore I ask the keep them. --Mazbln (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep the first per Pieter Kuiper. Decent photo of house of notable person, properly categorized = in scope. In use in article = in scope. In case of pre-OTRS email permission images, I suggest an effort to contact the original uploaders and track down the email before listing for deletion; image may be relisted if such confirmation fails. -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment on the second image. As this depicts the work of an artist not old enough to be PD-Art, confirmation of free license permission from the heir/copyright holder seems more crucial here. Still, as images has been here since 2005 allowing time to get such confirmation seems in order. -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The second image was sent to me by the son of the sculptorer and current (copyright) owner. It reperesents also a phase of post-war German history (see for exmpaple this article in the German newspaper „Der Tagesspiegel“). Unfortunately I have lost his e-mail address, hence I don't know how to contact him again. Again, I can only certify that he gave me his consent to publish it under GFDL which I explained him. --Mazbln (talk) 20:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would it really be that hard to get a formal OTRS permission now? After all, that system was created specifically to eliminate the need for discussions like this. --Latebird (talk) 11:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, the OTRS system was created to prevent such discussions, but it was not created alongwith Commons but some time later. Perhaps I could have sent the permission right after creation of the OTRS system but I simply didn't think on these pictures. And today I don't know how to contact the sender (beside to ring on his door bell but this seems to mee too much effort. One can delete the house picture (this can be reproduced simply) but I ask the keep the sculpture picture. Again: I don't think Wikimedia will experience any problems with keeping these pictures. --Mazbln (talk) 19:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kept, per Mazbln. Kameraad Pjotr 20:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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