Commons:Deletion requests/File:Basilique de Lisieux.JPG

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File:Basilique de Lisieux.JPG

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Derivative of an architectural work by Louis Marie Cordonnier (died 1940) and his son Louis-Stanislas Cordonnier (died 25 August 1960) in a location with no freedom of panorama (France) meaning the uploader cannot issue a valid license without the consent of the owner. 

Bob247 (talk) 22:07, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ma réponse : Espèce de schnock ! Gérard (talk) 10:30, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment quel part est l'œuvre du fils et laquelle est celle du père ? En l'absence de réponse claire  Keep Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:44, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment in the absence of a clear response, the precautionary principle comes into play: COM:PRP. --Bob247 (talk) 19:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment but how do we know that this is an architectural work of Louis-Stanislas Cordonnier ? The official forms of protection of the Ministry of Culture (French Government) refers only to the father. I'm not sure “there is significant doubt”, PRP doesn’t apply here for me. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 08:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Gérard, tu te rends bien compte que tu risques personnellement des peines de prisons et des amendes pour contrefaçon si on conserve cette image ? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 10:44, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Il me semble que les juges devraient actuellement fouetter (et fouettent d'ailleurs probablement) d'autres chats (il y en a beaucoup) que de s'occuper de cette malheureuse photo dont je me demande bien à qui elle porte préjudice en étant exposée sur Commons. Je dis et je répète que cette demande de suppression est la preuve d'une c......e sans nom de la part de son auteur. Gérard (talk) 16:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Je suis d'accord, les juges devraient faire autre chose. Il n'empêche que c'est (potentiellement) contraire aux droits d'auteur et que cela porte préjudice aux ayants-droits. Stupida lex, sed lex. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 08:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment personal attacks are not condoned on any wiki project: fr:WP:PAP. --Bob247 (talk) 19:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep per above and below.--Jebulon (talk) 13:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment see also Commons:Deletion requests/File:Normandie Calvados Lisieux1 tango7174.jpg.--Pixeltoo (talk) 13:15, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I fear that Bob247 is right, except if Louis-Stanislas Cordonnier, didn't create the façade. The missing FOP in France is really a pain in the ass, but not Bob247's fault.--Stanzilla (talk) 22:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bob247 maybe right but probably not. There is no proof that the son did any architectural work on this building. In fact, all the source I can find tends to say the father is the main or only architect. For me and in the current state of knowledge, it's  Keep. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 08:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have listed three sources that it was also by the son at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Normandie Calvados Lisieux1 tango7174.jpg. --Bob247 (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Per VIGNERON. Work by Louis-Marie, died in 1940. According to the french government Base Mérimée, the author is Louis-Marie, nothing about Louis-Stanislas. Please source DR requests. --Jebulon (talk) 13:19, 29 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Per VIGNERON.--Guil2027 (talk) 20:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Per VIGNERON. Gérard (talk) 08:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC) La base Mérimée est explicite [1] et on peut penser que ce ne sont pas des farceurs ... tant pis pour B..... qui tient tant à supprimer ces images. Oui, je sais, il va demander maintenant si Ménage, l'architecte bien connu, est bien mort depuis 70 ans. En ce qui concerne le fils Cordonnnier, il a supervisé les travaux, on ne va tout de même pas demander si le chef de chantier ou le maçon sont morts eux aussi depuis plus de 70 ans ? lol Gérard Janot (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment A list of known errors in the infallible Merimee database can be found on the French wikipedia project. To blindly believe that your government is always correct is quite naive and quite amusing. I do not want the images to be deleted, but imagine if the Wiki foundation had to pay $75 for each and every copyright infringement currently on commons. All sites would have to be shut down for lack of funds. --Bob247 (talk) 07:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bravo pour ta modestie. Tu penses donc en savoir plus sur le sujet que des professionnels ? --Guil2027 (talk) 12:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Si on t'a fait rire, c'est toujours ça ! Mais par ailleurs, qu'est ce qui prouve que la liste d'erreurs relevées dans WP est exacte ? Il faudrait des références faisant autorité pour cela. N'a-t'on pas pour principe que Wikipedia ne peut être considérée comme une source valable pour référencer ses propres articles ? Et de toutes façons, même si c'était possible, la basilique Sainte-Thérèse n'est pas citée dans cette fameuse liste d'erreurs. Donc l'argument est totalement bidon. Il vaudrait mieux l'admettre que de s'enferrer dans la volonté de supprimer cette photo sans raison valable. Gérard (talk) 19:06, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Voir commentaires de VIGNERON. --Claude Truong-Ngoc (talk) 01:27, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
 Keep Per VIGNERON.-- Bertrand GRONDIN  → (Talk) 15:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Kept: as per Jebulon. Yann (talk) 12:28, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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