Commons:Deletion requests/File:Armenians in Azerbaijan.jpg

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File:Armenians in Azerbaijan.jpg

• Delete - Fake information. Original Research. Because this map shows modernday Azerbaijan Republic within the modern borders, but Nagorno-Karabakh is not shown as Azerbaijani territory in spite of the fact that it is the internationally (also by UN) recognized territory of Azerbaijan. And names of territories are shown how they are known in armenian and most of them need references. Wertuose (talk) 10:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. Original research. No reliable sources are provided to demonstrate that the map is not a fiction. --Grandmaster 14:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
• Delete - fake map: 1. No sources; 2. Map of Azerbaijan is not correct; 3. Somehow "Mountainous Republic of Artsakh" appeared, although it doesn't exist in the political map of the world); 4. Number of Armenian population in the territory is falsified. Best, Konullu (talk) 15:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
• Comment an email was sent to OTRS (ticket:2012111610004726), claiming that they were the copyright holder and have given permission under the public domain. A response was given asking them to establish proof that they were in-fact the copyright holder. I do not believe that affects the scope of the deletion request though. Legoktm (talk) 08:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
• Do not delete This is a comprehensive, well-designed and trustworthy map. Autor has provided 6 links used to create this good work, and ethnic areas shown quite correctly here, though info about places of vandalism is severely belittled (or incomplete). State borders included the unrecognized state (NKR) but autor has noted below that the state is independant only DE FACTO (means NOT DE JURE). So I considere this is a quite informative and useful map which gets clear many aspects and roots of Armenian-Azerbaijani relationship and in quite neutrally manner. 46.241.188.234 20:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
• Don't delete - Remarkable that Armenian author uses Azerbaijani names outside the areas controlled by army of self-defense of Nagorno Karabakh Republic (as yet unrecognized), and Armenian (historical) names are mentioned only in parentheses. I believe this work is consistent with the rules and norms of Wikipedia and it deserves the right to serve as information to people. And the arguments of "supporters of removing" users speaks about their pandering to vandalism and to covering up truth. Decide what of this two camps is yours? (This question directed Neither to admins, Nor to users, but just to Human Beings) 46.241.169.0 20:51, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. I really don't see how File:Andree, Richard. Volkerkarte von Russland. 1881 D.jpg or this were used in creation of this map. Other maps referred to are as good as this one. Commons is not place where one can store his original research. And for the record, the above IPs are from the same pool that was blocked for persistent edit warring in en:wiki, and are used by the same person. [1] Also, it is clear that this map was created to promote certain POV even from the legend, which contains phrases such as "Loudest cases of Azerbaijani vandalism against the Armenian monuments" next to the symbol of a foot. Grandmaster 21:46, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
• Comment. Connection between 6 source maps and the matter of the disput is obvious:

1. Following maps: [1], [3], [5] to slightly open changing of ethnic composition at different periods (no differences to claim this is POV).

2. Map:[4] showing deportation of Armenians from Soviet Azerbaijan (fact deniable by all azeris).

3. Maps: [2] and [6] showing part of the Armenian monasteries, churches, fortresses, bridges, cross-stones and other monuments gifted at the start of 20th century to newly created Azerbaijani SSR by Bolsheviks, and suffered(ing) by clear Azerbaijani VANDALISM (worldwide known fact, again deniable by same azeris).

So. Let's block all IPs from this pool, and pretend nothing was spoken to prove this neither POV, nor original research. Let's delete the map to deprive people from knowing the truth. Because this truth quite undesirable for all of us. Let's keep on mixing our political preferences and historical reality by inventing our own "truth" and imposing to people... 46.241.156.121 08:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

The general criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Every claim must must be supported with a reference to reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This also applies to maps that you wish to use in the articles. They must also be based on reliable sources. For comparison, see File:Ancient countries of Transcaucasia.jpg, which is based on The Cambridge Ancient History, a perfectly neutral scholarly source with no connection to either Azerbaijan or Armenia, and therefore that map is not an original research, and its neutrality cannot be questioned. What you do here is a synthesis of some nationalistic maps published in Armenia with a couple of neutral maps published at various times and related to different time periods. The result is an original research, which cannot be published in Wikipedia and commons, especially considering severe violation of NPOV with claims like "Azerbaijani vandalism", etc. See also WP:SOAP. Grandmaster 08:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Objection. Idea allegedly some Armenian nationalists had invented the facts of Deportation of Armenians from Azerbaijan SSR and consequent huge scale Azerbaijani Vandalism against historical monuments left without protection - that's what I count real POV.

1. Asked. Was there Armenian Massacres in Azerbaijan SSR? Yes they took place, and proofs are numerous: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 ...

2. Can we speak of Azerbaijani vandalism? Yes. Another formulation is inapplicable, proofs are countless: 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6, 7 and 8, 9 and 10, 11 and 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166 ...

This is what trying to hide azerbaijani wikipedians. That's whom so zealously protecting some British admins and honored users of Wikipedia. 188.115.224.100 01:39, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Another IP from the same location. I think you do not understand the rules. You cannot make maps out of your head, or by randomly mixing unrelated maps. And accusations towards Azerbaijani wikipedians are in violation of WP:AGF. Grandmaster 22:07, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - there is no such republic called "Mountainous Republic of Artsakh" in the world. Map is just imagination of creator, and it is not the real map.

• Delete. The map is a typical example of original research. No authoritative sources which confirms the "facts" on this map. Typical example of using Wikimedia for anti-Azerbaijani propaganda. --Interfase (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Kept: We are not expert in the issues involved, so it is firm Commons policy that we do not choose which maps to keep and whcih to delete. There is no rule against original research on Commons -- in fact almost all uploads are original research of one sort or another. It is clear from the comments above that none of those commenting are experienced Commons editors -- for one thing, they do not use our standard templates, and for another, they cite WP rules here. .     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 16:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)