Commons:Deletion requests/File:Alan Turing Aged 16.jpg
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This was a school photograph taken of Alan Turing in 1928 at Sherborne school. Sheborne school claim that they own the copyright in all their school photographs of the time. In order for this to be a public domain photograph, the photographer would have had to have died before 1945 (less than 20 years after the photograph was taken). Unless that can be positively established, then the PD status of this image cannot be determined and it should be deleted. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- And Template:PD-UK-unknown or Template:PD-UKGov, if the school is (amreican englisch) public, are not aplying?--Sanandros (talk) 16:04, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Neither template is applicable here. The school is a British school. I find it hard to believe that the school would not be aware of who the photographer was. The photographer would make sure that his name was emblazoned across the photograph's folders or envelopes.
- The reason that I raised this is that I am aware of someone that I know having just obtained a copy of a photograph from Sherborne school for use in some Alan Turing related publication (a very similar photo clearly taken at the same time). Sherborne school were adamant that they owned the copyright and proper attribution had to be made if the photograph was used (one assumes that the copyright was transferred from the photographer but the 70 year rule following his death still applies). DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- With "(american english)" i meant language related as public school means something else in american english and in british english, or is that no more up to date. But if they claim copyright they also need to provide a contract and name the photographer. Other wise it's copyfrought.--Sanandros (talk) 20:55, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sherborne school is what we British call a 'public school' which means that it is, in reality, a private school.
- With "(american english)" i meant language related as public school means something else in american english and in british english, or is that no more up to date. But if they claim copyright they also need to provide a contract and name the photographer. Other wise it's copyfrought.--Sanandros (talk) 20:55, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
- You have the burden of establishing whether copyright subsists or not the wrong way around. It is up to the person publishing the image to establish that the image is out of copyright - not for me or anyone else to prove that it is in copyright. Intellectual property has to be considered copyright until it is proven otherwise. The template Template:PD-UK-unknown has been suggesteed as a copyright template, but that template can only be used once reasonable attempts have been made to establish who the originator of the image was (and in this case, the simple expedient of asking the school itself is entirely reasonable). As the template itself says, "please specify in the image description the research you have carried out to find who the author was". If no research specified, then the template cannot be used and the image is liable for deletion.
- Template:PD-UKGov is inappropriate because it is not a government originated image, even if it were a state school. I should also point out that the last copyright tag (Template:PD-Old) is not applicable here because in order to use it you have know who the copyright holder was and you also have to know that the date of his or her death was more than 70 years ago. DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Kept: PD-UK-unknown looks fine. Yann (talk) 13:59, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
