Commons:Deletion requests/File:2eStation s-Hertogenbosch.jpg

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File:2eStation s-Hertogenbosch.jpg

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No authorship information, unknown copyright situation. Jcb (talk) 23:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep I don't think we need to go hair spliting here. There are only a few small copies on the web. Most postcards from that area are not signed, and the photographer is unknown. Only a few photographers added their name on it back then. In addition, the photographer was born before 1880, so the odds that he died before 1946 is quite high. Yann (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy  Keep Unless Jcb can name the photographer, nothing to do here. This DR for an 1899 postcard is extremely pointy, considering the background discussion, hence the speedy. --Fæ (talk) 17:19, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep, unless Jcb provides proof of copyvio for this 1899 postcard. If you don't know the copyright situation, then research instead of enforcing other to do that job. --Amitie 10g (talk) 20:09, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete - not sure wat 'area' Yann is talking about, but in the Netherlands most old postcards I have seen have a photographer mentioned at the backside. And 1899 is way too recent to suppose PD-old without authorship information. E.g. Jameslwoodward uses 1886 as a cutoff. I myself would even think of 1876, for a county like the Netherlands, where people of over 90 years old were no exception in 1946. Jcb (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yann is not the only who disagree with your nominations (here are at least four  Keep votes). So, if several users disagree with you, who is wrong here? No proof of copyvio, no support for deletion. --Amitie 10g (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is it time to have a serious discussion about this kind of situation? Here we have an 1899 postcard. It is extremely unlikely that anyone cares about its copyright, but that train of thought is prohibited by PRP. So, we either must prove that the author was anonymous -- which we can't do beyond a significant doubt because we don't have the back of the postcard -- or we must guess that the author died before 1946, which I'm unwilling to do for an 1899 card. I'd like to say  Keep for this image, but, being someone who strictly constructs our rules, I must say  Delete.

Is it time to adopt a policy that says that any image that is 100 years old, has no known author, and was obviously published, should be OK for Commons? By "obviously published" I mean to include postcards, printed maps, halftones, engravings and the like, but not images scanned from paper photographs.

If we agree here that it would be a useful discussion, then obviously it should not take place here. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 23:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jim, Yes, we need to have a consensus about this. I would support such a rule, which is used in the German WP (AFAIK). Regards, Yann (talk) 23:47, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: as per discussion. P 1 9 9  ✉ 15:18, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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