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Time 0:40 has test:"版权所有，未经许可请勿转载。" Translating to English is "All rights reserved, please do not reprint without permission". -akko (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Comment "All rights reserved" does not contradict a CC-BY license. It is simply a claim that copyright exists -- it was equivalent to the copyright notice for the Buenos Aires Convention, so people tended to combine that phrase with the copyright notice to ensure copyright was preserved under both conventions, and the habit often continues today. If the Chinese News Service owns the copyright, there would be no problem with the license. "License laundering" is when someone gives a license to a work they do not own in the first place. If the statement says reuse is not allowed without permission, but they then licensed it CC-BY, then CC-BY is the terms of that permission. Carl Lindberg (talk) 17:24, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep. There are several points raised by -akko as I comb through the discussions above and explanations for them. And I also hope my explanation can help end future discussions like this once and for all.

  • There are statements on CNS's videos that claim they are fully "copyrighted," while CC licensing is "copyleft."
As discussed at the beginning of this page and Carl Lindberg's remarks, this is mostly a discrepancy in translation and it is acceptable for someone to claim "copyrighted" on a CC-licensed work.
  • The statement which states "Copyrighted, please do not reprint without permission" at the end of some CNS videos makes it incompatible with the CC licensing provided on the page of YouTube.
The act that CNS willingly chose CC licensing when uploading these videos to YouTube is also what they did and cannot be withdrawn. If CNS has already made such statements, we tend to go for the free-er ones. Even if CNS suddenly withdraw their CC licensing releases, we can still use their videos prior to the date.
In many videos of the channel (especially those earliest ones), CNS only provides them in a limited resolution. Also, I don't believe CNS is uploading all of their videos on YouTube. We may be able to salvage some low-quality screenshots such as this one (which sees quite some use), but in the meantime, CNS can still sell their photos and videos in higher definitions to others to make a profit. It is common for organizations to release some of their low-resolution works in free licenses while restricting access to high-resolution ones. This means that even if we find identical images and videos in higher quality, we couldn't use them. All we could do is taking screenshots of CNS's videos on YouTube and stick with them.
  • CNS's videos are using works such as footages from other news agencies or fair-use contents, which CNS does not own their copyright and thus not compatible with Wikimedia Commons.
As China's second-largest news agency, we can confidently assume CNS's works are coming from legit sources such as footage exchange agreements with other news agencies. For instance, when covering Hong Kong, CNS heavily uses footage from a TV broadcaster named TVB, which is widely deemed to be pro-China and thus has a similar political standpoint with CNS. Copyright laws worldwide recognize that, in the case of CNS compelling and editing footages from TVB to form a new video, it did generate "new" copyright to be claimed by CNS, as long as TVB agrees CNS to use their footage. However, previous consensuses on Wikimedia Commons conclude that, if a video contains a reasonable amount of fair use content (or in the case of CNS, footages that their copyright are not directly owned by CNS), the video could be uploaded as a whole (and vice versa). In cases such as CNS heavily using TVB's footage, the video shouldn't be uploaded, as the amount of non-CNS-owned footage is going beyond a reasonable limit. Also, screenshots from non-CNS-owned segments of an otherwise acceptable video are not allowed.
  • The YouTube channel claiming to be "China News Service" may be a fake channel impersonating CNS, or it might be someone trying to license launder CNS's videos by creating a YouTube channel and uploading everything under YouTube's CC licensing.
There is no mentioning of this channel on CNS's websites or other social media accounts, but a news release (archived) from the Cyberspace Administration of China, the arm of the Chinese Communist Party on internet administration, censorship, and propaganda, suggested that CNS does have a YouTube channel - and this is the one and only YouTube channel claiming itself to be CNS. The news release goes:

中国新闻网利用海外社交平台脸书、推特、优兔账号推送图文、视频及各类融媒体创意内容500余篇次，积极面向全世界传播两会声音，传递中国之声。

The website of China News Service have used overseas social media platforms of Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube accounts to push images, texts, videos, and all sort of fusion-media content for more than 500 times, spreading the voice of the Two Sessions proactively to the world, spreading the voice of China to the world.

The news release by China Cyberspace Administration comes with its own catches, making it harder to find. The China News Service, or "中国新闻社", itself is a news agency, but it also runs a website "中国新闻网", or literally translated as "China News Website," which is the term used in this news release; also, the English translation of "YouTube" in its text, "优兔", is not commonly used at all. Great thanks to User:DavidHuai1999 for helping out on this. There are good reasons why CNS may not want to put the YouTube channel on their official websites and we have to undergo such a detour to prove its legitimacy, but I won't get into this now.
Additionally, if we try not to go too deep down the rabbit hole of COM:PCP, it is pretty hard for a YouTube channel with 20k subscribers goes unnoticed by CNS, or someone is going to make a pretty convincing YouTube channel like this for laundering licenses. Finally, the YouTube channel uses an email with @chinanews.com.cn suffix on its about page, which is something an impersonator may not want to do.

--Techyan（Talk） 19:00, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 I withdraw my nomination per Techyan. (｀・ω・´) (talk) 14:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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