Commons:Deletion requests/File:Örebro - Svartå Järnväg.jpg
{{PD-textlogo}} is surely the wrong license template for an old map. The original soucre seems to be here, but I don't read Swedish (I guess?). As far as I understand the google-translation, there isn't any information about the map there. Is anyone able to find out where it originally came from and whether it is old enough to be in the Public Domain? El Grafo (talk) 12:40, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Also applies to:
--El Grafo (talk) 13:05, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Info here is the answer from the uploader's takl page at de.wp:
- Hallo, die Quelle von dir ist korrekt. Quelle müsste eine Bahnstreckenkarte der Schwedischen Staatsbahnen sein, wie sie früher auch in Deutschland einem Kursbuch beilag. Also in etwa ein amtliches Werk, aber ob man das in Schweden so bezeichnen kann, weiß ich nicht. Jetzt geht es um das Alter der Karten: auf der Seite ist natürlich nichts zu finden. Ich versuch mal eine ungefähre Einordnung: Bredsjö-Degerfors Järnväg.jpg: siehe de:Bahnstrecke Bredsjö–Degerfors - die als 113 bezeichnete Strecke bestand bis 1907. Bånghammar - Klotens Järnväg.jpg - die Strecke ist nicht original eingezeichnet, die Karte schaut optisch so aus wie die vorherige, könnte aus dem gleichen Zeitraum stammen. Die rot eingezeichnete Strecke nach Kloten - siehe de:Bahnstrecke Bånghammar–Kloten wurde 1934 eingestellt. Dann noch Örebro - Svartå Järnväg.jpg - dieser Ausschnitt ist jünger, siehe de:Svartåbanan. Die Strecke ist elektrifiziert eingezeichnet, das passierte 1937 und eingestellt wurde sie 1985 - daher irgendwann dazwischen. Wenn es also nicht als '"geringe Schöpfungshöhe'" machbar ist, vielleicht "Amtliches Werk"? Und letztendlich, wenn es gar nicht geht, dann halt gar nicht. --Mef.ellingen (Diskussion) 19:11, 25. Jul. 2014 (CEST)
The relavant information as far as I can tell:
- The original source should be official railroad maps by the Swedish railroad company.
- The scans are from lindroos.org and so are the digital additions in red (which are below the threshold of originality, imho)
- File:Bredsjö-Degerfors Järnväg.jpg: Railway 113 existed until 1907 (de:Bahnstrecke Bredsjö–Degerfors/sv:Bredsjö–Degerfors Järnväg), so the map can't be much younger than that.
- File:Bånghammar - Klotens Järnväg.jpg: the railway shown in red was closed 1934 ([[:de:Bahnstrecke Bånghammar–Kloten]), but it has been added digitally. The map itself is in the same style as the one before, so it's probably from the same era (if not even from the same map)
- File:Örebro - Svartå Järnväg.jpg: this one is younger. The de:Svartåbanan/sv:Örebro–Svartå Järnväg is not older than 1937 (drawn as electrified, which happened in 1937). It was closed in 1985, so the map must be from somewhere inbetween these years.
--El Grafo (talk) 19:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Question Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory#Sweden says:
Catalogs and charts containing compilations of a great amount of information, or being the result of a considerable investment, are under copyright for 15 years after the year of their creation, or, if they have been published within 15 years from production, for 15 years after the year of publication. (Upphovsrättslagen 49 §).
- Does this apply here? If yes: Do we have a template for that? If no: What are the copyright rules for old maps in Sweden? --El Grafo (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: The special provision quoted applies to "charts", but not maps. Article 1 of the Act on Copyright in Literary and Artistic Works (SFS 1960:729) says,
- "Maps and other works of a descriptive nature executed as drawings, engravings, or in a three-dimensional form, shall be considered as literary works." (from the unofficial translation of the law as provided by the Swedish government).
Therefore the rule is 70 pma and 1905 is too recent to assume that the author has been dead for 70 years. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
