Commons:Deletion requests/FDF press release photos

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FDF press release photos

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The following images is a press release photo from the Finnish Defence Forces website. It is not a "part of a decision or a statement by an authority or a public body of Finland." Thus it cannot be used with template {{PD-FinlandGov}} and should be deleted. A relevant discussion was made when deprecating {{FinnishDefenceForces}}.

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--MPorciusCato 07:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the category "official statement" is rather narrowly defined. For example, we have held before that a speech made by the Finnish president on the radio, announcing the start of a war, is not an "official statement" but just an informational release. According to the decision KKO:56:2000 by the Supreme Court of Finland, only such documents are in public domain which relate to use of public authority (julkisen vallan käyttöön). Then, the question is whether issuing press releases is use of public authority. In fact, you can make a case for this. According to the § 20 of the Act on the openness of the actions of public authorities (Laki viranomaisten toiminnan julkisuudesta 621/1999), it is the duty of the authorities to produce informational guides, booklets, statistics and other publications. However, usually, the category is interpreted more narrowly. --MPorciusCato 06:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with MPorciusCato. According to Finnish law a "official statement" is something a governmental body or person holding a governmental office issues based on it's authority. Examples of these are, for example, laws and acts, minutes of different councils etc. A press statement is not an "official statement".--Joonasl 06:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, too. Samulili 08:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is what the FDF website says regarding copyright in English (I did not alter it in any way): Material featured on this site is subject to the Finnish Defence Forces copyright protection unless otherwise indicated. The Finnish Defence Forces copyright protected material may be reproduced free of charge but the source of the material must be identified and the copyright status acknowledged. Finnish speaking Wikipedians could introduce a Finnish Defence Forces PD according to the FDF copyright message. I presume the FDF translated their original Finnish copyright message correctly into English. In my view this FDF text does qualify for the {attribution} tag. For good measure an additional notice containing the original FDF copyright text can be attached.--Francis Flinch 12:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This issue was discussed at Commons:Deletion requests/Template:FinnishDefenceForces at some length. I actually concur with you, but the template {{FinnishDefenceForces}} was deprecated. If we decide to keep these photos, then I suggest undeleting the template and the ca. 600 photos that were deleted when the template was deprecated. --MPorciusCato 16:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If the copyright template is not exactly correct one, that is not a reason to delete the pictures. Only the copyright message should be changed. The pictures should be undeleted. Deleting all these pictures has caused lots of damage to Wikipedia, and enormous amount of work done by many volunteers have been thrown to toilet. It seems that the problem is that the pictures were uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. From now on, I strongly suggest that nobody uploads anything to Commons, it only causes problems. --PauliKL (talk) 22:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That discussion at Commons:Deletion requests/Template:FinnishDefenceForces does not strike me as a discussion amongst lawyers, let alone Finnish legal professionals who probably are the most qualified people for a exegesis including the relevant conclusive arguments regarding current Finnish law. I will solve it by marking the few images I uploaded with a standard attribution tag and an additional notice containing the original FDF copyright notice.--Francis Flinch 18:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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