Commons:Deletion requests/Ebola PPE videos

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Ebola PPE videos

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These fourteen videos show the proper procedures for donning personal protective equipment when treating Ebola patients. They are undoubtedly good / useful videos. Unfortunately, there is a potential issue with the licensing that suggests that Wikimedia should not be hosting them.

They come from this site operated by the United States Centers for Disease Control. If that were the end of the story, we would be fine, since CDC is a US government agency and subject to PD-USGov.

Unfortunately, the videos are slathered with five different logos: CDC, Johns Hopkins University Medical School, Miami University, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, and the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America. The same list of collaborators is repeated on CDC's PPE training homepage [1], with the addition that Salesforce Foundation is also listed. In addition, the first video was clearly filmed at Johns Hopkins (their logo is on the wall in the background), and the documentation is suggestive that all of the videos may have been produced at JHU. In general, to establish that a work is free from copyright problems we need to establish that all potential copyright holders have been addressed and not just one. Further, the CDC's PPE training homepage says [2]: "These informational materials are made available for educational and informational purposes only...". To the extent that this statement can be read as an implicit license to use and distribute these videos, it doesn't seem to go far enough to meet Wikimedia's inclusion standards.

Without a more explicit statement that these videos have been placed in the public domain, or appropriately licensed for Wikipedia, I feel we need to remove them. It isn't sufficient that one of the several listed authoring organizations is US Government. That's a shame, since they are excellent videos, and we should certainly continue to link to and reference them. Dragons flight (talk) 03:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Info I have requested a clarification via their website today, however they do state that "We are experiencing a high volume of inquiries and may be delayed in responding to your question." I'll post back any response I get. --Fæ (talk) 08:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Copyright release of Ebola virus PPE videos / 5 November 2014
The CDC released educational videos for PPE[1] were produced in partnership with several other institutions. Could you please confirm that these can be reused as public domain licensed media?

They have been copied for reuse on Wikipedia and elsewhere for public education at Wikimedia Commons, but have since been put up for deletion discussion as we remain unclear on the specific release of these videos.[2]

Links

  1. http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/ppe-training/index.html
  2. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Ebola_PPE_videos

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

[Fae].
@Fae: , if the CDC is being slow (which is understandable), you might try contacting someone at Johns Hopkins. The guy in the first video identifies himself as a associated with the Armstrong Institute at Johns Hopkins [3]. Perhaps they would give a quicker answer. Dragons flight (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for starting this discussion. It would be great if these videos were in the public domain as works of the US Federal Government because it would be nice to be able to remix them with subtitles in other languages. It would not be worthwhile to organize this kind of volunteer labor and distribution if these videos are a proprietary product. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hum. This is a medical disclaimer not a licensing byline "These informational materials are made available for educational and informational purposes only..." It means you cannot sue the CDC if you follow these video instructions and still get Ebola.
    • If the CDC is involved in creating stuff they usually require that it is in the public domain. But good idea to check.
    • It does say "Content source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention" thus likely okay James Heilman, MD (talk) 06:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I will contact someone at John Hopkins. James Heilman, MD (talk) 19:45, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I am a Professor in the division of Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins (see my userpage here and my personal web page over there). I will be happy to help address this as JHU will want these to be useful broadly. What specific question should I ask? Since these were produced by JHU for the CDC my guess is that JHU cannot state they are in the public domain but they might, for example, be able to release any claims on them (I need to ask - I cannot speak with JHU's voice but I can find someone who can). Stuart Ray, M.D. soupvector (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
soupvector, thank you for offering to help. What Commons needs is someone in authority at JHU definitively saying either, (a) that the videos are PD because they were produced for the CDC or (b) that JHU owns the copyright and licenses it freely. The license form and e-mail address to be used in either case is at OTRS. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 22:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Jameslwoodward Thanks very much. I've exchanged emails with my colleague Dr. Pronovost (featured in the first video) and the person in charge of these communications, and they are very supportive of getting this ironed out. I just need to get the right person to articulate the specific license, and the link you provided to OTRS gives me the right tools - just a matter of hours to days. Stuart Ray soupvector (talk) 03:09, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Although this is well past the one week period for closure, I suggest we do not close this DR until at least next Thursday to give Soupvector time to get the license in place. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:06, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I was copied on an email just sent from JHU to OTRS so I think this will be resolved presently. soupvector (talk) 17:40, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Kept OTRS #2014112210011257. Thanks again to soupvector for making this happen. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 11:28, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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