Commons:Deletion requests/DKM Scharnhorst
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- At first, only Image:Scharnhorst-26.jpg was nominated for deletion. A.J. 14:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Copied from an old German photo album, so it's surely not "a work of the United States Federal Government". No reason for PD. --88.134.44.28 00:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Keep The source is the official U.S. Navy web site. In the privacy policy of this site we can read:
(...) 2. All information on this site is in the public domain and may be distributed or copied unless otherwise specified. Use of appropriate byline/photo/image credits is requested (...)
Julo 15:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
After arguments below, I've changed my opinion Julo 21:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Images don't automatically become PD only because they are hosted on a navy website and the US Navy is not the author of this image. As it was copied from an old German photo album called "Meine Kriegserinnerungen auf Schlachtschiff Scharnhorst" (my war memories of battleship Scharnhorst), the author was apparently a crew member of the German ship Scharnhorst, and according to German copyright law the copyright only expires 70 years after death. The image is from 1939, so it's not older than 70 years. And there's no indication on the website why images from that photo album should be PD.
- And the website also says "To the best of our knowledge, all Online Library pictures are in the public domain and[...]", so they are not 100% sure. --88.134.44.28 18:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Delete 70 years have not passed, surely no work of an US official.- Please note: If you delete this image. Please consider all images in DKM Scharnhorst for deletion. --ALE! ¿…? 08:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I followed ALE!'s suggertion and nominated all images of German origin for deletion. Maybe someone throught CommonsTicker will react and find other reason for keeping this images. A.J. 15:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- According to the disclaimer at the source site http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org11-2.htm : To the best of our knowledge, all Online Library pictures are in the public domain and can therefore be freely downloaded and used for any purpose without requesting permission. That's more or less the same disclaimer University of Texas is using for the maps they provide. --213.155.224.232 12:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it seems that colective mind of Wikipedians has sometimes even better knowledge. A.J. 12:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- Considering the argument of the IP 88.134.44.28 To the best of our knowledge means that they did their best to rule out the possibility and they didn't find a contradicting claim. --213.155.224.232 20:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- The images might be in the public domain in the US but probably not in most other countries, like for example Germany. --ALE! ¿…? 17:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. The copyright for most Scharnhorst photos, that were taken by official german Kriegsmarine photographers, lies most likely in the hands the german Federal Archive (Bundesarchiv) and they dont give their material away as PD, but usually charge a fee for useage. For example see the copyright tag on the Scharnhorst photos they display online: [1] Alexpl
deleted, I deleted all works except the ones done for intelligence purposes by the Division of Naval Inteligence of the Navy Department of the United States or the Royal Air Force. The uploader acted deliberately when he tagged images from German publications as a work of the United States Federal Government – especially when you see that the photographed stood next to Reichskriegsflagge of a German vessel, in wartimes … --Polarlys 12:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)