Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Wolves
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Commons:Naming categories says For biological taxa, the scientific Latin names should be used. The present situation where part (a small part) of the wolf pictures are located into category:wolves and part (the greater part) of the wolf pictures is located into category:canis lupus is ridiculous and unhelpful. We must as much as possible teach users to sort pictures into more detailed categories. For example European wolves into "canis lupus lupus" and Alaskan wolves into "canis lupus occidentalis". I ask for a formal decision to never use category:wolves except as a category redirect towards "canis lupus". User:Foroa reverted the category redirect I had put there, so I need this formal decision. User:Foroa actions : diff1 (wolves) diff2 (mythological wolves) diff3(international wolf center) , diff4 (wolves in snow), diff5 (wolf clothing), diff6 (wolves in art) .
Wolves must be located at "canis lupus" by the same token that polar bears are located ad Category:ursus maritimus. Teofilo (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
- I am indeed tired of unmerging all the time things that cannot be merged. As you can see in en:Wolf (disambiguation), not all wolves are Canus lupus, so a redirect is not correct. Obviously, all properly identified species pictures should be in the correct species categories. Nevertheless, as with most common names as in Category:Animals by common named groups, people using popular names cannot make the differences between the various species of wolves (in art, on stamps, in clothing, mythology, trapping, ..) : Category:Capitoline_she-wolf, Category:Capitoline_she-wolf, Category:Fenrir, Category:Fenrir, Category:Flags_with_wolves, Category:Geri_and_Freki, Category:International_Wolf_Center, Category:Jackal_(clothing), Category:Little_Red_Riding_Hood, Category:Lycaon, Category:Mythological_wolves, Category:Paintings_of_wolves, Category:Reliefs_of_wolves, Category:Statues_of_wolves, Category:Wolf_(clothing), Category:Wolf_fur-skin_manufacturing, Category:Wolf_fur-skins, Category:Wolf_icons, Category:Wolves, Category:Wolves_in_art, Category:Wolves_in_crest, Category:Wolves_in_fairy_talesvCategory:Wolves_in_heraldryvCategory:Wolves_in_snow, Category:Wolves_on_coins and many more to come.
- Nobody tries to mixup the category:Dogs, Category:Monkeys, category:Sheep, Category:Fishes, category:Horses, ... with their respective Taxonomy counterpart. On the other hand, no one seems to have the courage to untangle Category:Cats and Category:Felis silvestris catus (funny, it all starts with cat, then goes over Felis silvestris catus and then back to cat breeds without taxonomy terms). As often the case, we have to find cohabitations of proper scientific terms and common names that are all very clear to most people. --Foroa (talk) 22:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Agree to keep this category : Not every files can be categorised by scientific names. Both systems has to be merged. Species identifiaction is sometimes impossible, and many of the cultural aspects are not fitting properly in scientific categories. We just have to take care to clearely explain, in introduction, that this or that common name category must not be used to categorise real photos or scientific art descriptions of biological species and to propose a link to the main taxon. I added a help text in order to explain things. On the contrary, categories linked with scientific names but filled with subcategories in common name (such as Category:Mammals in zoos) should not exist! --Salix (talk) 05:38, 19 June 2010 (UTC)- Agree to keep this category for the reasons expressed above. Jack ma (talk) 05:46, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
- The en:Wolf (disambiguation) shows that only very rare species and very rare pieces of English litterature use the word wolf for something else than "canis lupus". 99% of the wolf pictures users upload on Commons are "canis lupus", not the "Ethiopian Wolf Unique Canis species". It's better to have a few (1%) badly sorted picture into "canis lupus", for a limited amount of time (until someone comes and sorts them out) than breaking the accepted language policies and the global language balance on Wikimedia projects. I have nothing against creating Category:Unidentified wolves so that Category:Wolves could be a redirect to Category:Unidentified wolves. But I am totally opposed to the creation of biological categories identifying species and other taxons by English name, giving people the wrong impression that the policy is to call species by English name. I said nothing when English names were limited to domestic species like cats, dogs, cows or horses and limited to very few (not more than 10). But if people start pushing for English-named wild species, like wolves, it is the beginning of the end of the language policy. The creation of Category:Animals by common named groups by someone in good faith, probably, but not aware of the language policy, at the end of 2008 has been a mistake. The people who push for that mistake are extremely unhelpful. Be careful that I say nothing about subcategories like "<English name> in art", or "<English name> International Center". I am talking only about the main species or taxon categories. Teofilo (talk) 10:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
- See also my comment at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-June/059396.html Teofilo (talk) 11:14, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
- Keep - generally useful, and this is a silly request. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Kept. Please use Commons:Categories for discussion instead. ZooFari 18:38, 25 June 2010 (UTC)