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A 1992 work; no COM:FOP#France. Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:06, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. No FOP in France unfortunately Bapti 07:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Unused personal image. The user made 2 uploads to wiki, one deleted for copyvio, the other nominated for deletion for same reason. Elekhh (talk) 07:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Julo (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The license tag is apparently wrong because "Anny Syme" is the author and the copyright holder but another user transferred by using a tag where is written "I, the copyright holder....". This is not true because the user that has transferred the image is not the copyright holder. A.Ceta (talk) 07:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Kept. Fixed (File:Copy of REF 17 montage.JPG) -- Common Good (talk) 19:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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No COM:FOP#Argentina; the sculptor died this year. (Undelete in 2081?) Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See also Commons:Deletion requests/File:Buenos Aires-Recoleta-P2090056.jpg. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 08:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Inconclusive closing There's already a mass deletion request about those images at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Buenos Aires-Recoleta-P2090056.jpg, as pointed. It's unneeded to have two. All images have been listed there, so the discusion is kept at a single place. Belgrano (talk) 21:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Quality of image, along with this user's other uploads, strongly suggests it was taken from the school's website. I have not been able to pin down an exact source, though it is in the same style as the images at http://www.stpauls.qld.edu.au/09_web/aboutus/history/. CT Cooper · talk 14:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. High Contrast (talk) 15:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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COM:DW, requires permission by the artist. Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide evidence of permission. It has a CC-attribution license, but the name of the artist is not even mentioned. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:05, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The comment I wanted to make here related to what this image would be used for (i.e. a question of scope, though the focus of the image is not great either). I then started thinking the same about all the images in Category:Maker Faire 2009 (199 files) and Category:Maker Faire 2010 (16 files) and Category:Maker Faire 2008 (348 images) and Category:Maker Faire 2007 (5 images) and Category:Maker Faire 2006 (6 images) and in Category:Maker Faire robotics (32 images). Is it possible to find out, 2 years after the Maker Faire 2008 images were uploaded, how many of them are or have been used by other WMF projects? I realise they form part of a Commons category that people can come here and browse after reading the Makre Faire article (I linked to the en-wiki article, but the same applies to other language articles), and the images could be used in other projects or gallery pages here, but the impression is of a lot of images uploaded in the hope that they will be useful to someone (possibly even as a record of a visit to the Faire, rather than a discerning selection of images that will be useful and have an educational purpose). When I upload images I've taken, I try to be a bit more discerning than that and I often decide not to upload something because I know it will be a waste of my time and the time of others. I guess what I am trying to say is whether images on Commons should have a definite purpose, or whether Commons wants to be a complete visual record for all possible events, places and objects (that would be very ambitious)? I know from experience that if you don't keep a tight rein on scope in a collection of millions of items, things can get out of control very quickly. As far as the Maker Faire images go, I would have thought that it would be possible to organise the photographs better, but for that you need good information with each image, something that is not always possible when aggregating a collection of pictures taken by visitors to the event (as opposed to someone carefully making notes as they go round the stalls). Carcharoth (Commons) (talk) 04:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC) I should note here that I've gone through the 2008 images and categorised some of them a bit more and even used some of them on en-wikipedia, but the vast majority were difficult to find uses for. Carcharoth (Commons) (talk) 05:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Then submit these cases at COM:UDEL as we have some consensus to follow AGF in cases that predate OTRS. However, in this case it is (at least for me) less a question of trust but a question of attributing the artist. --AFBorchert (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this one should be closed  Keep. Nominator's original objections have been met and he even participated in copying the information (once provided) over to another image of this object[1]. And I have finally figured out why Pieter is so disruptive. It's not that he dogs admins for copyvios. I did a few admins as a test and nobody even noticed, not even the targets. We're not machines, yes we have a process but it takes real people to implement it, and he's trying to use process mechanically without considering the very real feelings of the people in the project. -Nard (Hablemonos)(Let's talk) 10:45, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete I'm uninterested in the politics that brought this image here and am taken aback at the apparent gross misunderstanding of AGF present here and at related discussions. AGF means assuming an action was made with the intent of improving the project. Of course Bastique believed the project would be better with this image and that it was properly documented. AGF doesn't mean assuming an action is correct or competent. When I ask myself whether an email received in OTRS stating "Received permission from artist, onsite for photograph of image to be uploaded under a free license" would be acceptable, the answer is a resounding no. We would require explicit and affirmative assertions from the actual copyright holder. Particularly troubling in this instance is that it is apparently the product of multiple authors ("created by Greenpeace, then modified by James Burgett and Alameda County Computer Resource Center volunteers"). Was the person to whom Bastique spoke authorized to speak on behalf of all authors? What license did they agree to? I find it much more likely that the statement at the time would have been something to the effect of "sure, you can upload it to the Commons" than "I agree it may be freely altered, distributed and used commercially so long as [the copyright holder] is credited". That's not the way people talk, but it's the explicitness we need. I'm not saying the person didn't have authority to license the image; I'm not saying they didn't understand the terms of freeness. I'm saying we haven't been provided sufficient proof one way or another. It's the notion of verifiability over truth. It's the precautionary principle. Эlcobbola talk 15:57, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete Per Elcobbola. I also believe many other images of artistic creations and sculptures exhibited at the fair may be problematic, for similar reasons (e.g. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maker_Faire_2008_San_Mateo_116.JPG -- given that this was a temporary display, per Freedom_of_panorama#Permanent_vs_temporary, are we not infringing the artist's rights?). I recall a past DR discussion to this effect; the categories really need to be gone through with a fine-toothed comb. --JN466 12:00, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is no freedom of panorama for artistic works in the US, so it doesn't matter if the display was permanent or temporary. Trycatch (talk) 12:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Freedom_of_panorama#United_States. We would be infringing the artist's rights even if this display had been permanent. I'll nominate it, but it may well only be the tip of the iceberg. --JN466 14:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Delete It is not clear what kind of permission was given, or by whom, or whether that person had the right to give permission to reproduce this work. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 06:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Per the excellent analysis by User:Elcobbola. There were multiple creators. It seems very unlikely that any one person had the right to act for all of them, but even if there was such a person, we have no evidence of such action here.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 16:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Incomplete source licence and copyright information about each single image. It is highly unlikely that each image was taken by the uploader High Contrast (talk) 20:55, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Wknight94 talk 15:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It is a modern statue. It was sculpted by E. Gorban and oppened in 1994. Testus (talk) 02:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this? Could COM:FOP apply there? --PaterMcFly (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Мазепинці, Ukraine. No, it could not. Trycatch (talk) 14:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. No FoP in Ukraine. Blacklake (talk) 12:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Copyvio. Image is from here. The website states: "All rights reserved". Another image by the same author has been deleted for same reason. Elekhh (talk) 07:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Non free licensing, bad license on commons.

The original picture in the Hungarian Wikipedia.

Below you can read in english: This image is copyrighted and is used in the Hungarian Wikipedia with permission. For the purposes of Wikipedia this is a non-free licence.

--Beroesz (talk) 14:17, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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bad name; new version uploaded Aboutmovies (talk) 09:22, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It must not be the uploader's own work. Sentausa (talk) 06:05, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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license is invalid, image was copied from the hotel's website RadioFan2 (talk) 11:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The image doesn't seem free. Reading [2] and [3] they don't allow usage of the logo unless you are a Seventh-Day Adventist Church entity (or has an explicit authorization). Since it was created around 1997 it can't be PD-old, and given the work and symbolism reflected on its Global Identity Standards page, it seems to also pass the threshold of originality. Platonides (talk) 22:01, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Low quality, superseded by File:Wenceslas Hollar - Bastwick cropped.jpg ˉanetode╦╩ 05:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this, however, I would suggest to create a crop similar to this one from the superior variant as replacement where this image is currently used. --AFBorchert (talk) 09:25, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Huib talk 09:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It is not two-dimensional work of art, it is 3D-object. 178.176.205.124 19:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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it's clearly not own work, and definitely not in PD Bapti 10:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Luxgen promotional image. This car is not yet released so it is definitely not a free image. OSX (talkcontributions) 15:02, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This car is released long time ago!! dont consider oneself always right.--Sweater (talk) 00:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well it is cleary a promotional image anyway. OSX (talkcontributions) 00:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And why would promotional images be forbidden on commons? Commons does not delete images just because they're promotional, as long as they are in scope, which is clearly the case here. --PaterMcFly (talk) 19:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Huib talk 09:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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As the article Marketeon has not been allowed on wikipedia, I would like to remove its logo David.sellam (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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wanted to enquire about ms sufferers and treatments, not this 94.197.190.151 20:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Kept. Huib talk 09:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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This image of a 3D work seems to be taken from a website. Permission needs to be confirmed. Multichill (talk) 15:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why don't you contact Tresoar and ask them if it is alright before placing a deletion notice? Go on, contact them and ask them: i did before placing the image on Wiki Commons. 77.251.69.14

Because I don't have time for that. Multichill (talk) 21:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
77.251.69.14, you as uploader must personally confirm the permission given to you by sending an OTRS, see Commons:OTRS, otherwise, the file may be deleted. --Havang(nl) (talk) 10:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment The photographer lived a long life: Hendrik van Kampen (1891-1981). /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 23:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

deleted. Huib talk 09:13, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Sock of a user who has uploaded non-free images. Doubtful that this one would be any different. Nymf (talk) 12:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Question of own work. See http://monarchsofeurope.wordpress.com/ Wouter (talk) 07:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Question of own work. See http://monarchsofeurope.wordpress.com/ Wouter (talk) 07:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Question of own work. See http://monarchsofeurope.wordpress.com/ Wouter (talk) 07:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Question own work. See http://forbesparky.wordpress.com/ Wouter (talk) 07:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:12, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Not own wok, a scan. See http://dinodimaculangan.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/scan0012.jpg Wouter (talk) 21:04, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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fair use Waihorace (talk) 02:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep, PD-Textlogo. --PaterMcFly (talk) 19:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Huib talk 09:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Copyright unclear: Photo NOT from USGS; is "courtesy of Smithsonian" according to USGS website 71.234.215.133 06:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Link. Materialscientist (talk) 06:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Huib talk 09:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Unusable image. Smooth_O (talk) 07:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Just received OTRS for it, but is this in scope?--DieBuche (talk) 11:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Borderline. In use on a user page (although that page has really a huge amount of images on it) and I think we don't have to much images depicting comic styles. --PaterMcFly (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Huib talk 09:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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IMHO not free enough, see: http://fotos.naturspot.de/contact.php (in German). No further permission recorded on Commons. ALE! ¿…? 13:20, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:11, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments such as "your mom's house" for a source suggests the uploader is not taking copyright seriously. Low quality and border also suggests this image was taken from a website. CT Cooper · talk 13:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems unlikely that this is the author's own work, with the source being a website (no evidence of permission), and this being a low quality black and white image which would not normally be produced by a camera. CT Cooper · talk 13:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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I doubt that the license is correct. --Leyo 13:35, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

License is clearly wrong, but from what country is this stamp? If it were german, it would be PD, but the currency on it does not look like DM or €. --PaterMcFly (talk) 19:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What makes you think that it is not from Nauru? --Leyo 23:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, nothing. Didn't know that this was indeed a state :-( --PaterMcFly (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Huib talk 09:10, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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and File:Ángela y Mª del Mar.jpg. Out of Commons:Project scope: Commons is not private photoalbum. Not used. EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:07, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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This is clearly a photo of a map, perhaps taken from a textbook, and not an original work as claimed by uploader. 128.255.60.193 19:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I drew the map for a history project presentation back in 2001. Unfortunately, I don't have a scanner and took the picture of it instead.--Harfang (talk) 19:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:07, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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not a two-dimensional object, PD-old seems wrong Helvetiker (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PD-old clearly applies for the object depicted, so maybe the uploader just made a misstake here in mixing the permission for the picture with the one of the object. Anyway, according to swiss law, the image is PD in either case, because there's no originality involved in creating it. --PaterMcFly (talk) 19:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kept. Huib talk 09:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Depicts copyrighted characters and building design; no FOP in France. Stifle (talk) 16:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Author unknown. first publication date unknown. Not published in the US before 1923, so unsure copyright status. TheDJ (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep As the source states: author unknown, first publication date 1923 ("Opnamedatum vanaf 1923"): (Fotonummer SFA022003546). US is irrelevant, license should be "anonymous-EU". I changed it. Therefore Article 38 of the Dutch copyright law is in effect: "1. The copyright in a work of which the author has not been indicated or has not been indicated in such a way that his identity is beyond doubt shall expire 70 years after 1 January of the year following that in which the work was first lawfully communicated to the public. 2. The same shall apply to works of which a public institution, association, foundation or company is deemed the author, unless the natural person who created the work is indicated as the author on or in copies of the work which have been communicated to the public." Hence 1923 + 70 = public domain. Tekstman (talk) 19:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • And how do you know in which year the image was 'first lawfully communicated to the public' (first published is not the same as date of creation) ? Besides, US status does apply, all works need to be usable in the United States (where the servers are located) AND in the country of origin. There are 38 other image like this that require review btw, but since we are engaging in a project with Nationaal Archief and Spaarnestad Photo anyways, Multichill will be checking if this material might possibly be saved. TheDJ (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • "Opnamedatum vanaf 1923" means publication date 1923, because it says "Opnamedatum vanaf 1923' (first publication date) and 'Opnamedatum t/m Informatie niet beschikbaar' (last publication date not available). Check this with Spaarnestad if you wish. Btw, I would not be surprised if all (or 99%) of the "Het Leven"-material wás published on the date mentioned, because they bought a magazine-archive. Multichill may check this also. US status does only apply as far as that the US copyright regime "inherits" foreign copyrights, which means they accept the European 70+-rule as long as no American work is involved. And those 38 other images should be reviewed here as well, if you believe they are copyvio. Tekstman (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • I translate "opnamedatum" as creation date, not publishing date (however likely it might be that publication occurred at that time). Also, per Commons:Hirtle_chart, the rule you quote about pd-70 only applies to foreign material 1st published after 1978. When material was not PD in the country of origin before 1996, then such material is highly unlikely to be PD in the US now. (Basically no 'old' foreign material will go PD between 1996 and 2019 in the United states) TheDJ (talk) 20:09, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • So, let's ask Spaarnestad what they mean by "opnamedatum". I can hardly believe that PD in the country of origin does not constitute PD in the US, when both countries signed the Berne Convention. Tonnes of images on Commons do not fulfill the obligation you refer to in the Hirtle chart. Like all these batch uploads, for starters. Btw, publication date 1923 still means PD in the US, even by the Hirtle chart: "in the public domain in its source country as of 1 January 1996". So Klaas van Nek.jpg entered the PD in The Netherlands on 1 January 1994. Tekstman (talk) 16:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • The rule of shorter term, is not an obligatory part of the Berne convention and not implemented by the US. There are indeed MANY images on Commons that have this problem, simply because it is such a complicated issue. We cleanup where we can. These kinds of problems are also why why image donations from the deutsche fotothek for instance are explicitly released under a free license. It shifts the responsibility from us to them. There is a big difference in US interpreting an image to have fallen into the public domain (Your images taken from Spaarnestad) vs. someone else guaranteeing us that there are no more rights applicable to their material (Spaarnestad images made part of the National Archives), or that something is available under a Free license (Deutsche Fotothek). TheDJ (talk) 10:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. Huib talk 09:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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According to the official document http://www.presidencia.gov.ec/pdf/Simbolos-Patrios.pdf , this flag is incorrect. The coat of arms is too big and the flag ratio is 1x2 (regulations require 2x3). Replaced by [[::File:Flag of Ecuador.svg|correctly drawn SVG file]]. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 18:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Unused JPEG image, replaced by more accurate http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Civil_Ensign_of_Ecuador.svg User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 19:18, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Unclear author info. FunkMonk (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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logo of a Braziilian rock band with no notability, no related article exists in pt or other wiki projects Santosga (talk) 21:10, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Own work uploads by Hirundo rustica

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I feel most of the contributions by User:Hirundo rustica is a copyvio uploaded under false own work claim. All the images have no EXIF, low resolution, some images have been resized from even lower resolution images (it means that the uploader do not have a high resolution original) -- I think most of these images have been taken from the web, and not created by the user. I've found the exact source for the 11 images of 28 (some have been already deleted, see the talk page of the user), i.e. ~40% of the images in question are more or less certain copyvios. Possibly the user don't have a good understanding what "own work" is -- he or she tags as own work everything, including obviously not his own work old photos like this, this or this. I've nominated for deletion only modern photographs, old ones possibly could be kept under {{PD-Poland}}.

Trycatch (talk) 13:32, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. Huib talk 09:07, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It's a personnal proposition which is unpublished --Xfigpower (pssst) 07:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Deleted. 09:16, 29 July 2010 Abigor (talk | contribs | block) deleted "File:Flag of New-Caledonia.jpg" ‎ (Per Commons:Deletion_requests/Flag_of_New-Caledonia.jpg) Rocket000 (talk) 10:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]