Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Watermills

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Category:Watermills

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see previous CfD at Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/04/Category:Watermills

Remove Watermills from Water wheels. This was done based on a CfD which received no objections which I closed a few days ago. Attempting to implement this, I noted some complications, and JopkeB also helpfully raised some concerns about the change. Looking into it, I think we should simply back off from adding Water wheels as a parent of Watermills and potentially discuss a more appropriate structure for these. Josh (talk) 21:43, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JopkeB and Andy Dingley: (pinging other participants) Josh (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that Whater wheels should not be a parent of Watermills. Now Category:Water wheels is a parent as well as a grandchild of Category:Watermills:
Water wheels
Watermills
Watermill parts
Water wheels
That cannot be correct.
Solutions might be:
  1. to rename the water wheels that are not part of a watermill (something like "Stand alone water wheels")
  2. and/or the other way around: use Category:Scoop wheels for the water wheels that are part of a watermill.
Perhaps you know other solutions. JopkeB (talk) 05:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshbaumgartner: Could you look into this discussion again? --JopkeB (talk) 03:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joshbaumgartner: This discussion is still open. Could you please give a reaction? What solution do you favour? JopkeB (talk) 04:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB I think that given that Andy Dingley (talk · contribs) has not had any comment here, it is safe to start with simply vacating the original CfD result to start. As for the solution going forward, it seems to me that there are water wheels which are part of a mill, and those that are not. This would to me indicate that Category:Water wheels should cover both, with a sub-cat for water wheels that serve a mill (Category:Water wheels of mills, Category:Water mill wheels, or some-such). I don't know enough to say whether all scoop wheels serve mills and/or all mill wheels are scoop wheels, so I can't say whether Category:Scoop wheels would serve this purpose. I'm not a big fan of categories defined by what they are not, so I don't know if we need a catch-all 'non-mill' wheel category. Presumably, there are other purposes for a water wheel than just driving a mill, so other sub-cats can be made for each of these non-mill roles if there are contents to support them. Josh (talk) 19:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshbaumgartner: I think you are right that scoop wheels are not the same as water wheels: scoop wheels are for pumping water, usually used for land drainage, not for generating energy. So that indeed is not a solution. My proposal:
Then the only thing left is Water wheels for other purposes than serving a water mill or just pumping water. So when we see those other purposes we can create categories with "Water wheels" and the purpose in the category name. Do you and @HenkvD: (who created Category:Scoop wheels) agree? --JopkeB (talk) 06:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for pinging me. I was not aware of this discussion. My proposal
HenkvD (talk) 10:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And what to do with water wheels that are not part of a watermill? What should the category name be if "Water mill wheels" is not a proper name? JopkeB (talk) 15:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe this could work:
HenkvD (talk) 08:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Summary

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Combined proposal:

@Joshbaumgartner and HenkvD: Do you agree that these actions are to be taken to solve this discussion? --JopkeB (talk) 14:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JopkeB I have no problem with that. Thanks for summarizing. Josh (talk) 15:05, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB and Joshbaumgartner: I agree too. OK to make the changes now. HenkvD (talk) 11:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus Resolved by consensus
ActionsSee Summary/Combined proposal ✓ Done
Participants
NotesStill to do: make subcategories for Category:Water wheels of watermills, at least by country and diagrams, using (the six subcategories on top of) Category:Water wheels. ✓ Done for countries.
Renamed Category:Water wheels of watermills to Category:Watermill wheels because this is shorter, especially in subcategories --JopkeB (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Closed byJopkeB (talk) 08:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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