Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/01/Category:Writing

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Category:Writing

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Split into Category:Writing (activity) and Category:Written works. Per the existing hat note, this category is a mash of two different concepts which both are covered by the English word "writing", 1) the activity of writing, and 2) the works created as a result of writing. Splitting would improve compliance with the Modularity, Selectivity, and Simplicity Principles. Josh (talk) 20:53, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Agree A distinction should be made between these two concepts in Commons. And perhaps there is a third concept: (hand)writings of persons, search with Category:Writings, because "Written works" can be works published in print/online or works in handwriting. JopkeB (talk) 04:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, would think that Category:Hand-written works would be a natural sub of Category:Written works, as the result of the activity of Category:Handwriting. Category:Written works should be all-inclusive of any output of the writing process from a hand-scrawled note to an e-book, with sub-cats to cover the different varieties. If you think the term is perhaps not exactly right, maybe a name like Category:Writing (product) to indicate more exactly that it is the product of the writing process would work better? Josh (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Generally, Commons places the product of an activity as a child of the activity. Thus, I might refine the suggestion to:
@JopkeB: I also agree with the distinction you make there that hand-written and electronically-published are not mutually exclusive, so they will need to be handled with the subs. Josh (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Josh: I completely  Agree with this way of separating the two aspects, also the name Writing (activity) – good plan! Only with the name of the result-category I am not so sure. First I think it has to be in plural e.g. Writing (products) or Writing (results). But one natural parent Products has already a commercial "appeal" and results not yet exists. The results/products of Drawing -> Drawings, Painting -> Paintings, Printmaking -> Prints or Sculpturing -> Sculptures are all grouped under Art works. So what was the problem with the name Written works?? or Writing (works)? And what if we keep it simple like Drawings and Paintings and just call it Writings? Kind Regards --W like wiki good to know 02:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@W like wiki: Absolutely no problem for me, Written works was my initial suggestion and partly rooted in my participation in the CfD re: Art works, so I'm fine with that, though Writings is not a bad suggestion either. I think I would still lean towards works being in there. I think the structure is probably the most important...the name can be tweaked later in light of experience. Josh (talk) 03:49, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Josh: “the structure is probably the most important...the name can be tweaked later in light of experience.” I love this, Great! --W like wiki good to know 03:59, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Results so far

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@Joshbaumgartner and W like wiki: I think it is time to move forward. Resume of the discussion and actions:

Questions

  1. Do you agree that these are the results of this discussion?
  2. What do we choose: Category:Written works OR Category:Writings?

--JopkeB (talk) 04:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Support I agree with this. I think "written works" is the more explicit name. Writing should be dabbed, not just redirected to Writing (activity). Josh (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Support I agree with this. Sorry, for my late answer, I missed the end of the discussion! Thanks to all. Regards PS.: And to question #2 I would prefer "Writings" but I'm not an English native speaker as Josh. Regards2 --W like wiki good to know 07:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus Resolved by consensus
Actions
  1. Make Category:Writing a DAB page ✓ Done by User:Sbb1413 on 19-1-2024
  2. Create Category:Writing (activity) + Category:Written works ✓ Done
  3. Reorganize the categories involved according to "Results so far" ; rest is ✓ Done by User:Sbb1413 on 19-1-2024
Participants
NotesIt turns out that a lot of subcategories belong to both (activity + works) or neither. For now I did some reorganization, but kept this category. Please look into it and reorganize further. JopkeB (talk) 14:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC). Rest of the reorganization has been ✓ Done by User:Sbb1413 on 19-1-2024.[reply]
move the files in Category:Writing to proper categories. ✓ Done by User:W like wiki on 15-2-24.
Closed byJopkeB (talk) 12:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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