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Dragon (spacecraft) categories

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We should split both categories into the relevant subcats on SpaceX Dragon and Dragon 2 as the nominated categories are too diverse in its current form. Soumya-8974 (he) (talkcontribs) 07:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Support We already have the categories SpaceX Dragon and SpaceX Dragon 2, which are in SpaceX spacecraft. We can rename this category to Recovery of SpaceX spacecraft and move its contents into two new categories as proposed. Brianjd (talk) 10:17, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Support Brianjd's proposal. Huntster (t @ c) 19:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment I have added another category in this nomination. --Soumya-8974 (he) (talkcontribs) 07:54, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Off-topic discussions
@Soumya-8974 The English Wikipedia article Commercial Resupply Services says (emphasis added):
CRS-2 contracts were awarded in January 2016 to Orbital ATK Cygnus, Sierra Nevada Corporation Dream Chaser, and SpaceX Dragon 2 ...
Furthermore, the article SpaceX CRS-21 states:
The mission was contracted by NASA and was flown by SpaceX using a Cargo Dragon 2.
Why did you remove relevant categories from SpaceX Dragon 2? Brianjd (talk) 04:11, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I removed them to categorise the specific Cargo Dragon 2 used in CRS2 missions, not the SpaceX Dragon 2 as a whole, since Crew Dragon isn't used in such missions. See the category Commercial Resupply Services (where Cargo Dragon = Cargo Dragon 2). --Soumya-8974 (he) (talkcontribs) 05:13, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Soumya-8974 So you did. I don't know how I missed that.
On closer examination, I see that the category SpaceX Dragon has this description (emphasis added):
The Dragon spacecraft, also known as Cargo Dragon, CRS Dragon, and Dragon 1
Yet the Wikidata item 'Dragon' (Q236448) does not contain this name, and this item and 'Cargo Dragon' (Q109743523) are marked as different to each other. And the latter Wikidata item has a single image, labelled "Crew Dragon". It seems like everyone is getting this wrong... Brianjd (talk) 05:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the situation is pretty confusing, comparable to the historical confusion between the Kennedy Space Center and the Cape Kennedy Air Force Station from 1963 till 1967, when the latter was renamed to Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. Because of the current confusion between the two vehicles, the Wikipedia page Cargo Dragon is a disambiguation rather than a redirect to SpaceX Dragon 2. Soumya-8974 (he) (talkcontribs) 05:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The image I referred to in my previous comment is Crew Dragon CRS-21 Undocking.png, which is in the category SpaceX CRS-21. This category contains this template:
{{ Category tree allmode = parentsdepth = 1hideroot = onheader = See parent categories for more media related to launch base and mission. }}
This template lists all parent categories (including Uses of Wikidata Infobox). (This might need to be discussed elsewhere.)
It is also overcategorised.
These comments also apply to the other SpaceX CRS categories. Brianjd (talk) 05:31, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The file name can be fixed, as the name is given by a random user rather than an established aerospace entity like NASA or SpaceX. In fact, NASA calls the cargo version of Dragon 2 "Cargo Dragon". Soumya-8974 (he) (talkcontribs) 05:35, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Brianjd: The category system should try to answer the big W's: Who, What, When, Where, and Why. Sometimes multiple categories are needed to properly address each. I can say that I see no overcategorization in SpaceX CRS-21. If you have specific categories you feel should not be present, those can be discussed, but not here. I invite both you and Soumya-8974 to my talk page to discuss this sub-topic further, if you are so inclined.
Additionally, the {{Category tree all}} template is something that has become a standard feature on spaceflight categories as a handy navigational tool, but it is not necessary. It is merely a convenience for users. Huntster (t @ c) 19:20, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See User talk:Huntster#SpaceX CRS over-categorisation. Brianjd (talk) 03:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Brianjd and Huntster: Alright, the categorisation problem is solved. Now focus on this CfD. --Soumya-8974 (he) (talkcontribs) 05:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Clear consensus to rename this category and create two new categories. --Soumya-8974 (he) (talkcontribs) 08:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]