Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/08/Category:Balanciloj
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The creator has acknowledged that the category should be in english, but didn't know the correct word for this metacategory of playground equipment that includes seesaws/teetertotters and swings. It's not a concept I'm familiar with. Anyone have any ideas? Themightyquill (talk) 06:43, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing the topic to discussion (I am the creator). I have searched for quite long time to understand the differences between different types of this playground equipment and finally even polished it on Wikidata (befero, several similar but different types was mixed). I am not very familiar with Commons procedures, but I hope that we can stand od historical experience about category naming of concepts, which are not present in English (or find a suitable name in English :). --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 14:13, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, KuboF Hromoslav. Do you know if this concept exists outside Czech and Polish? I don't fully understand how swings and seesaws are related, except that they both have pivot points. One is a lever, the other is a pendulum, so even at the level of "simple machines" they are quite different. - Themightyquill (talk) 10:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- The concept definitely exists also in Slovak and Esperanto (the category name is in Esperanto now). In fact, in these 2 languages (and maybe also in the other 2, but I am not sure) it is even hard to find words for "seesaws/teetertotters" and "swings" - the usual word is the meta-therm "hojdačka" (sk) or "balancilo" (eo).
- I would say that the commonness is that both of them are mostly playground instrument that are doing repetitive, bi-directional, partly circular movement.
- Do you know about how such occasions (concept not present in English) was solved in past? --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 18:22, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- I'm afraid it's not a problem I've run into before. Perhaps we could take this to the Commons:Village Pump? But I doubt people will be enthusiastic about using a concept that only exists in a few languages as an organizing principle at commons. - Themightyquill (talk) 20:22, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe to rename the category to Category:Seesaws and swings (with proper explanation in its description / talk)? Artificial, indeed, but could work. --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
stale discussion. 
Delete unclear umbrella term. Commons doesn't loose anything if we just delete the nominated category. If any Wikipedia or Wikidata defines this term, we can re-evaluate the situation--Estopedist1 (talk) 22:01, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep, translation possible. The fact that English has no word for this concept doesn't mean that it is irrelevant. Commons should be structured factually, not to copy the structure and limits of English thought. Btw., also the English word "swing" can mean all types of swinging motion, regardless of where the axis of rotary motion is located and whether the motion is made possible by the elasticity of the material or by the shaft etc. --ŠJů (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Close as KEPT per ŠJů. Seems useful directing non-native English speakers to appropriate subcategories. Not a problem. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2023 (UTC)