Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/05/Category:Piers

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Category:Piers

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See also: Commons:Categories for discussion/2019/04/Category:Ship stations in Hungary.

Isn't a pier a type of wharf (one which is raised, and sticks out over the water)? Couldn't we make it a sub-category of Category:Wharves and quays? Themightyquill (talk) 09:52, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment It's a very wide term. We also have gate piers, from which gates hang, and pleasure piers, which are raised walkways into the sea but at which watercraft do not necessarily land. Some consideration of subcats from a general definition would probably help here. Rodhullandemu (talk) 10:10, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Actually, there are so many different uses for the work that I think this would be better as a disambiguation page. What do we do, for example with Category:Piers (given name)? Rodhullandemu (talk) 10:35, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Rodhullandemu: Maybe, though Category:Gate piers and Category:Piers (architecture) are currently separated entirely from this category, I think. - Themightyquill (talk) 11:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment As a non-native-english speaker I am also quite confused with the terminology. Wharves and quays are in the same category, and thus the same thing (I guess?). But it should be possible to categorize them in relation to both Piers and Jetties. Without knowing at all what is what, it would be nice to have some kind of diagram explaining the difference between the terms. //moralist (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Moralist: That's a a valid request, and one which will help get these arranged logically. Here's my understanding:
  • Jetty: Any structure which sticks out into water, perpendicular to the shore. Ships may be able to dock there or not. May be raised or not.
  • Wharf/quay: Any structure on the side of water where ships can dock. It may be perpendicular to the shore or not. May be raised or not.
  • Pier: A raised structure which sticks out perpendicular to the shore. At "working piers" ships can dock.
By these definitions, all piers are jetties but not all wharves & quays are (though some are). Not all piers (but some) are wharves/quays. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:39, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming the category

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Hi, why not rename this category to Category:Piers (coastal structure) similar to Category:Moles (coastal structure)? See also the disambiguation page: Category:Pier. There we have:

Regards, --W like wiki good to know 21:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

pier : 1 (a) structure of wood, iron, etc built out into the sea, a lake, etc so that boats can stop and take on or put down passengers or goods. (b) similar structure built as a promenade at a seaside resort, often with a restaurant and places of entertainment on it. 2 one of the pillars supporting an arch or a span of a bridge. 3 wall between two windows or other openings.[1]

Regards, --W like wiki good to know 23:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@W like wiki: Sure, but the purpose of the CFD was to ask about the relationship between Category:Piers and Category:Wharves and quays. Renaming it doesn't answer that question. -- Themightyquill (talk) 08:47, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Themightyquill: ok sorry, but renaming it would still help, wouldn't it!? --W like wiki good to know 17:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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