Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/11/Category:Salespeople

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Category:Salespeople

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Was this cat made for Scott Peterson? E4024 (talk) 12:22, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it redundant with Category:Vendors? - Themightyquill (talk) 16:25, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This might be a controversial take, but IMO Category:Vendors should be gotten rid of outright. Since the term "vendor" can mean a few different things that have nothing in common with each other. For instance, it can mean "a business that supplies, provides and usually sells goods or services." Which both has nothing to do with salespeople and is to general of a definition/term to be useful. the term salespeople doesn't have that problem though. So, salespeople should be the main category for a "person whose job it is to sell things" and vendor should be redirected to it. BTW, doing that would also allow for a better division of by gender and by type (or subject) categories also. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:55, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Themightyquill: it is very economy-specific discussion, but eg en:vendor (= seller) is a standalone article, and en:salespeople is redirected to "sales". Seems to be overlapping concepts. If no objections, we probably should solve this discussion per user:Adamant1?--Estopedist1 (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@E4024, Themightyquill, and Adamant1: I would like to reopen/continue this discussion:

  • It is indeed confusing: there are (at least) two categories for occupations related to sales, without an umbrella category, while for me (and probably a lot of other editors and visitors of Commons) it is not important what the sales method is:
    • Category:Sales occupations - Note: This category is not only about retail occupations, but for all kind of sales occupations, throughout the whole chain, from raw materials to end products and services, also business-to-business.
    • Category:Retail occupations - Note: this category should not only be about selling, but also about purchase/buying of products to sell, management, accounting, etc.
I agree with Adamant1: there should be one main category for "persons whose job it is to sell things", no matter how and where they do it (in shops, on the street, on markets, door-by-door, by telephone, online, or whatever other method), and no matter how active or passive they sell products. Subcategories may be about these differences. Do you agree? If yes, then we can move forward and discuss what the name of that main category and the category structure should be. --JopkeB (talk) 08:12, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Salespeople can be a subcategory of both. We might change the description to: "Person whose job it is to sell things directly to (potential) customers". (The job of people who are involved in for instance marketing or making and publishing advertisements, is also to sell things, but I would not categorize them as Salespeople, only as "Sales occupations" or "Marketing occupations".) @E4024, Themightyquill, Estopedist1, and Adamant1: Please let us know whether you agree or would rather do it differently. JopkeB (talk) 09:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB and Adamant1: That makes sense. "Vendor" could include someone who owns a store but doesn't work there - people that would be better categorized as business people. Salespeople would only be the people working there. -- 07:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Conclusions so far
  1. Questions:
    1. What is the difference between Category:Salespeople, Category:Sales occupations, Category:Retail occupations, Category:Vendors and related categories?
    2. How should these categories be related? What could be an umbrella/common parent category for all involved categories?
  2. Answers:
    1. Salespeople = Persons whose job it is to sell things directly to (potential) customers
    2. Sales occupations: for all kind of sales occupations, not only retail, not only who actively acquire clients - this means that we should adjust the current description
    3. Retail occupations: for all kind of occupations in retail, not only sales
    4. Vendors has multiple meanings:
      1. a business that supplies, provides and usually sells goods or services
      2. could include someone who owns a store but doesn't work there; should be business people or Category:Shopkeepers
      3. salespeople.
  3. Proposals
    1. Add or adjust the descriptions mentioned above to the categories involved.
    2. Split Category:Vendors into two new categories: Category:Vendors (salespeople) and Category:Vendors (business). Keep Category:Vendors as a parent and for general subcategories like Vendors by country and Fireworks vendors.
    3. Make a new subcategory Category:Sales occupations in retail.
    4. Keep Category:Sales occupations as the parent.

@E4024, Themightyquill, Adamant1, and Estopedist1: Do you agree? Do you have adjustments, additions? I'll implement these proposals within a month if there are no reactions. --JopkeB (talk) 05:24, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JopkeB: Thanks for this. A) What's the difference between Category:Vendors (salespeople) and Category:Salespeople ? B) What goes in Category:Vendors (business) aside from Category:Shops? C) Category:Retail salespeople might work better than Category:Sales occupations in retail. -- Themightyquill (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Themightyquill , good questions. To answer them: first a definition of vendors (derived from w:en:Vendor): Vendors sell goods or services to any other entity, that is to other businesses, to consumers and/or to government.

So my adjusted proposals are:
  1. Add or adjust the descriptions mentioned above to the categories involved, including the (new) one for Vendor.
  2. Category:Vendors will be the umbralla category for all types of businesses and people who sell goods and/or services, no matter to who.
  3. Category:Salespeople will stay for persons whose job it is to sell things directly to (potential) customers. Category:Vendors and Category:Sales occupations will be parent categories (but not the only ones).
  4. Make a new subcategory Category:Retail salespeople for people who sell things and/or services directly to consumers.
Do you agree? Do you have other/better proposals? JopkeB (talk) 09:58, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: That sounds reasonable to me. Thanks for your work on this. -- Themightyquill (talk) 14:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Themightyquill. I'll wait another two weeks to see whether there are other opinions and then I'll make the changes. JopkeB (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This category discussion has been closed.
Consensus Resolved without objection
ActionsSee adjusted proposals ✓ Done
Participants
Closed byJopkeB (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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