Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/01/Category:Churches by patron saint

From Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository
Jump to navigation Jump to search

Category:Churches by patron saint

[edit]
See also: Commons:Categories for discussion/2016/11/Category:St. James Churches.
See also: Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/11/Category:Saint Sava churches.
See also: Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/04/Category:Saint Catherine.
See also: Commons:Categories for discussion/2015/06/Category:Saint Anthony churches in France.

This discussion is about the subcategories in Category:Churches by name and those in Category:Churches by patron saint, not those categories themselves. There are two issues.

Issue 1: Resolve confusion of subcategory names. There is confusion between the subcategories in Category:Churches by name and those in Category:Churches by patron saint because many of them have similar names. This could be fixed by renaming the subcategories in one or both of these.

Issue 2: What should be in the by-name category? Should entries named after saints be in Category:Churches by name? User:Motacilla has recently removed almost all of the entries from the subcategory Category:St. James churches. (I don't know if any other categories have been similarly emptied.) Those categories are now under categories specfic to the saint they are associated with (there is more than one saint named James). This tells me that there is a question as to whether churches named for saints should even be in Category:Churches by name. I think they should, because there is not a one-to-one correlation between churches dedicated to any given saint and churches named for that saint. Examples of what I mean are:

  • There are churches dedicated to Saint James the Greater and Saint James the Less that are named just "Saint James" (or Saint Jacques, etc.) without indicating which saint they are for.
  • There are churches dedicated to Saint Mary that don't bear her name, but instead have names like Immaculate Conception, Our Lady, and others.

Auntof6 (talk) 11:06, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion for issue #1

[edit]
  • I prefer to consider a church or other religious building for their dedication and naming (but in Italian "intitolazione" is traslate in English only with "naming"?) because if it might be correct bedlam is definitely made between popular name and official dedication, also sometimes the name of the parish (talking about Roman Catholic) does not match the name of the church. For an Italian contributor by name (per nome) is not clear, and in Italy we do not have tens of thousands of churches, oratories, chapels, abbeys, monaster, convents...--Threecharlie (talk) 08:51, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion for issue #2

[edit]
  • For me a buffer category could also remain, however, specifying that it is a service category is intended to be filled by those religious buildings of which we know only the name, for exemple to Saint John (Evangelist, Baptist), to Saint Anthony (Of Padua, the Great) and many others that for a not particularly precise contributor may be the only saint to have that name around the world. It would therefore be necessary that there were expert users who move at the precise holy individual images and categories but if you learn to do it right the chargers pictures we take away very dirty work which already is almost unmanageable.--Threecharlie (talk) 09:01, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the problem of the specific dedications of Mary the mother of Jesus churches is solvable with subcategories for the countless iconography, even art, which is represented, with or without the child, sitting, standing, with saints and not, see, please, en:Titles of Mary, In Italy, for example, we have thousands of churches dedicated to the Immaculate Conception which contain in turn, paintings, frescoes, statues, reliefs, mosaics, ceramics, stained glass windows that concern that particular iconography.--Threecharlie (talk) 09:15, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with Threecharlie on this, I think. Could we have Category:Saint John the Evangelist churches in Category:Churches by patron saint but Category:Saint John churches in Category:Churches by name? Ideally, we could subdivide Category:Saint John churches into Category:Saint John the Evangelist churches and Category:Saint John the Baptist churches (thus avoiding Category:Saint John churches by country but perhaps that's not always possible. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Threecharlie, @Themightyquill. Good idea! We have already such a practice, see Category:Saint Paraskeva churches and super-categories. --Elkost (talk) 07:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2017/01/Category:Churches_by_patron_saint&oldid=548091812"