Commons:Categories for discussion/2016/06/Category:Hongkonger
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User:Okstartnow has started today a bulk renaming of categories related to Hong Kong.Maybe it's ok but I'd like to hear some opinions and arguments on that recategorising. Achim (talk) 19:39, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Oppose It is not consistent with upper categories. This is an encyclopaedic project and we should use official names, I think. Wieralee (talk) 22:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
Agree "Hongkonger" is a official name as "British". And it is consistent with upper categories. For example Hongkonger is a nation and the upper category there is "Nation". --Okstartnow (talk) 02:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)- Leave them the way they were. Hong Kong is not a nation. It is a special administrative region of China. We already have categories for these things. If they are to be changed, they need to be discussed first.
- @Wieralee: could you clarify what you're opposing? User:Achim55 just asked for a discussion he didn't say he wants to keep or delete.
- We don't have a category "British", but Category:People of Great Britain. That is why we should stay with official Category:People of Hong Kong, I think. Wieralee (talk) 07:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- Actually, we do have Category:British. I'm not sure we should, but it's there. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- The only one sub-category is Category:People of the United Kingdom... And there are some files there: illustrations from "Autobiographical notes", photos of European Common Frog, Grass Snake and Natterjack Toad -- or even some notes... This is a category to clean up, I'm afraid. Wieralee (talk) 15:11, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- Actually, we do have Category:British. I'm not sure we should, but it's there. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- We don't have a category "British", but Category:People of Great Britain. That is why we should stay with official Category:People of Hong Kong, I think. Wieralee (talk) 07:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Okstartnow: please be clear about exactly what you are agreeing with. If you are agreeing with Wieralee, you should indent your comment one level more than his/hers. Also please stop making these changes until they are discussed. (I'm actually going to change them back, because it's confusing to have a mix as we have right now.) Besides that, you are not using the correct case (upper/lower case) and grammar on some of the categories. In addition, you are overcategorizing.
- @Wieralee: could you clarify what you're opposing? User:Achim55 just asked for a discussion he didn't say he wants to keep or delete.
- --Auntof6 (talk) 02:44, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- Hong Kong is not a nation but Hongkonger is a nation. And I am sorry. I just wanted to support saving "Hongkonger" the category. --Okstartnow (talk) 02:51, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- How is Hongkonger a nation? Doesn't it just mean a person from Hong Kong? --Auntof6 (talk) 02:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- Hongkonger has the common language, a common economic life, a common psychological characteristics derived from the thoughts of resisting the Communist Party of China and Hong Kong there are clearly defined geographical scope. Combining with the objective conditions and subjective imagination. That's how Hongkonger is a nation. And according Oxford dictionary "Hongkonger" means "A native or inhabitant of Hong Kong" so it can mean a person from Hong Kong only. --Okstartnow (talk) 03:15, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- That could define an ethnic or cultural group, not necessarily a nation. For purposes of Wikimedia, Hong Kong is neither a nation nor a country (which is the term we use instead of nation), but part of China. To change the way it's viewed or categorized requires a discussion, which we're having here. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- Hongkonger has the common language, a common economic life, a common psychological characteristics derived from the thoughts of resisting the Communist Party of China and Hong Kong there are clearly defined geographical scope. Combining with the objective conditions and subjective imagination. That's how Hongkonger is a nation. And according Oxford dictionary "Hongkonger" means "A native or inhabitant of Hong Kong" so it can mean a person from Hong Kong only. --Okstartnow (talk) 03:15, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- How is Hongkonger a nation? Doesn't it just mean a person from Hong Kong? --Auntof6 (talk) 02:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- Hong Kong is not a nation but Hongkonger is a nation. And I am sorry. I just wanted to support saving "Hongkonger" the category. --Okstartnow (talk) 02:51, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
- From en:Hong Kong people: "Hong Kong people do not comprise one particular ethnicity, and people that live in Hong Kong are independent of Chinese citizenship and residency status. The majority of Hong Kongers are of Chinese descent and consider themselves as ethnic Chinese..." So, by my reading, Category:People of Hong Kong seems most appropriate. Category:Hong Kongers should simply be a redirect. - Themightyquill (talk) 19:01, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Closed, category left as redirect to the construction more usual for people by city. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 00:43, 4 September 2019 (UTC)